|
|||||||||
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
December 5th, 2005, 01:37 PM | #1 |
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
What are you using to capture and what's up with the motion?
I played with this camera at the Apple store and was quite impressed but I didn't get to play with it as I would like to have. I'll probably have to go to SMS or Zacutos here in Chi-town but I was curious as too how you all are getting your footage into the NLE. Are you using the FireStore or a DTE or tape or both at the same time.
Also, when you shoot in DV mode am I to understand that this is downconverted HD? Considering it has to use the same chips to shoot on would it be technically accurate to say this is downconverted HD (or downconverted HDV)? Basically would I get a cleaner and higher quality DV image from this? Also hows the motion on that thing. If I hear some people say there's motion artifacts and other say it's not so. I didn't see any motion artifacts when I looked at it in the store but I also didn't capture any fast motion considering the store is mostly people walking around or standing. So what do you guys think? -Nate |
December 5th, 2005, 05:36 PM | #2 | |
Major Player
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Katoomba NSW Australia
Posts: 635
|
Quote:
If I handed my FX-1e to a few of my friends to shoot some clips - I'd end up with different responses from each of them. Why? Because they all think they've "got it down pat" when it comes to technology - so none of them would ask me "what you'd suggest as good settings?" or "explain all the functions of the camera?" Crikey - even here on this forum, there's not one place to access those settings that experimentation and experience gained from using these HDV camcorders can be accessed. Yeah - there's a few posts from those saying "tried this frame-rate with this shutter speed", but no straight forward stuff like... "reducing motion artifacts - shutter must be above 250th of a second, at f-whatever iris stop. Adjusting iris outside these perameters will require shutter adjustment to avoid motion artifacts" Bottom line - Hopefully when you got to 'play' with the camera; you also got to see what the camera is capable of providing on a device that it's meant to be viewed on, rather than a computer screen... because that's what these camera's are all about. If you see 'motion artifacts'; like blurring (big whoop!!), during a very fast pan, and you don't adjust the manual controls too counteract the effect - then you either accept the artifacts, or sell the camera to some one who will appreciate exactly what it can do and will use it appropriately. You can always pay the extra for the competitions offerings; but there's no guarantee you aren't gonna be pulling your hair out over some so-called Achilles heel that they have. BTW: I was under the impression that the DV Shooting Mode used a 4:3 area of the CCD. All other DV utilises the full CCD - but I could be wrong... heck; Sony's never really stated lots of things about the cameras!! |
|
December 5th, 2005, 05:51 PM | #3 |
Wrangler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,802
|
Hi Nathan and welcome to DVinfo. Regarding motion artifacts, it has been discussed a great length here in many posts. Just page back through this forum and click on some of them to learn more. As Steve says, different people see this issue through different eyes however.
Yes you can set the camera for SD mode and record regular DV (DV-SP or DVCAM on the Z1). I think it looks very good. See also this thread about the BBC's opinion of the standard definition mode: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=284924 You can also shoot in HDV mode but set firewire to send out standard DV on playback. That gives you an HDV master while letting you capture and edit as DV. I think there is a slight quality improvement doing it this way for some reason, and some editing software (such as Vegas) reportedly shows a significant improvement over shooting in SD mode. |
December 5th, 2005, 06:17 PM | #4 | |
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
Quote:
-Nate |
|
December 5th, 2005, 06:25 PM | #5 |
Wrangler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,802
|
Yes, there is a simple in-camera setting that configures the output of the firewire port while shooting in HDV mode. You can choose to send either HDV or DV data over firewire. On the Z1 if you select DV mode you can also choose whether to crop to 4:3 or send anamorphic 16:9. This setting works both while shooting and during the playback of an HDV tape. So yes, you could capture to a firestore or a laptop in DV mode while you shoot HDV on tape, or you could playback an HDV tape in the camera and capture it as regular DV. In that case your computer would think it was "talking" to a regular DV camera and treat it accordingly.
|
December 5th, 2005, 10:53 PM | #6 | |
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
Quote:
Also has anyone had any problems with tape drop outs? We use Panasonic and Fuji DV tapes. Anything special I should know? -Nate |
|
December 6th, 2005, 01:05 AM | #7 | |
Major Player
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Katoomba NSW Australia
Posts: 635
|
Quote:
If you wish to down-convert - you MUST have the camera set to HDV shooting mode. When the camera is connected by i-Link (firewire, IEEE-1394) to a computer for capture of clips: Set the on camera Output mode to DV (either 4:3, or 16:9) and then capture to your NLE. You cannot shoot in DV mode and capture HDV... strange that really; isn't it... Anything still caught up for you in "the fog" of mystery that is 'the New!' ? You have the choice of different grade and brand petroleum to put in your car... just like the choice of miniDV tape manufacturers. If you choose to use a different brand than that recommended for your camera (or car!) then you are aware of the risks and the responsibilities. That said, I didn't have the luxury of waiting months. No Sony Premium HDV miniDV cassettes were available at the time, so I used the ones I got with my JVC HD10u... and they have worked fine. Check the forums - given the number of Sony HDV cameras that must now be out and about... the frequency of drop-out reports is remarkably low. You know the risk when you get on a plane - knowing some crash and burn probably won't stop you ridin' on one. Mind you I'm about out of tapes now, and I need to get more. Bet you can't guess which brand and type I'm gonna get :) |
|
December 6th, 2005, 10:33 AM | #8 | ||||
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
-Nate |
||||
December 6th, 2005, 01:07 PM | #9 | |
Wrangler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,802
|
Quote:
Regarding tapes, you seem to think there's something different with the lubricant on the Sony tapes. I have no idea, but if that is the case then don't you also think that Sony designs their cameras to work with such an emulsion? Why would you use some other brand in a Sony camera? Doesn't make sense to me personally, but let us know how it works out. I have used only Sony Premium tapes in my VX-2000, PDX-10 and HVR-Z1 and have had no problems. |
|
December 6th, 2005, 04:14 PM | #10 | |
Major Player
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Katoomba NSW Australia
Posts: 635
|
Quote:
I'll be gettin' Sony Premium HDV MiniDV cassettes!! Just because the JVC tapes worked doesn't mean I'm gonna stick with 'em. The Sony tape has a small capacity advantage over other MiniDV cassettes, which may go some way towards explaining their benefit if you're really paranoid about the 'drop-out problem'. Sure the lube gets mentioned - maybe that's a male kinda thing, 'cause women would be more interested in the capacity, which doesn't get many plaudits in providing less likelihood of errors for whatever reason. Boyd... I understood from the clip that Kaku Ito provided from his FX-1 to AJA KonaHD card that the component out was pre-encoder, so 'technically' uncompressed. All signals from the CCDs would have to pass through the DSP before presentation to the encoder however. The DSP would play a large part in the make-up of the actual image, and Kaku's clip did show that while there is a quality of image boost from capturing 'pre-compression' it's not such a grandiose leap in quality to justify all the extra equipment required to make it possible. I also seem to remember that very early on in the piece... the word was that the DV mode of the Sony cams did not use the whole CCD. Either way; there's no way that the camera can shoot in the DV mode, and then output HDV via firewire... |
|
December 6th, 2005, 04:30 PM | #11 | |
Wrangler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,802
|
Quote:
|
|
December 6th, 2005, 04:32 PM | #12 | |
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
Quote:
-Nate |
|
December 6th, 2005, 04:35 PM | #13 | |
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
Quote:
-Nate |
|
December 6th, 2005, 04:47 PM | #14 |
Wrangler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,802
|
The XL2's CCD's are in the 4:3 proportion, but the camera acheives true 16:9 by using a letterboxed area in the center. Since the CCD's are high resolution there are still enough pixels for a full quality image. See Chris' explanation and graphic here: http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxl2/articles/article06.php
However on the FX1 and Z1 the situation is different. It has 16:9 shaped CCD's so the full surface area is used. Obviously if you are shooting 4:3 video you would not be using the full area of the CCD's and there would be an unused area to the left and right of the image. To put this notion to rest, I just switched on my Z1 and framed an image that filled the LCD screen. I then switched between HDV and DV mode and there was no change whatsoever in the field of view. So obviously the camera uses the full CCD for both HDV and 16:9 DV. |
December 6th, 2005, 04:59 PM | #15 | |
Regular Crew
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago, Il.
Posts: 85
|
Quote:
-Nate |
|
| ||||||
|
|