New Music Video shot on Sony HDR-FX1E and 35mm adapter

Dennis Hingsberg · October 14th, 2005, 11:01 AM

Viktor, try the alternative imaging section of DVInfo.. everyting you want to know is there. You can also read through the PS Techknic area, I recently wrote a message describing the inner workings of the mini35 from a technical standpoint.

The principle is very simple - once you understand it ;)

Rafael Cruz · October 19th, 2005, 11:44 AM

Nicholas great job! i really enjoyed your short film alot "riddle" nice twist on there
and award deserving piece of story telling. now as for the video do you mind sharing your workflow with the fx1 as everybody knows the fx1/z1 are know for lack of real progresive imaging, did you shoot on 60i and deiterlaced on post ? to what 30p? keep it up youll be one of the big ones! good luck

Nicholas Bartleet · October 19th, 2005, 12:05 PM

Hi Rafael, thankyou so much for your kind comments, i really appreciate it. It makes me want to go and work even harder. Anyway, i always tend to shoot in cineframe or the equivalent. I actually live in the uk and therefore have the pal version which i am told is considerably better in cineframe than the ntsc version. I did use to shoot my xl1s in frame mode too. I have to say, i think a lot of fuss is made over true progressive and frame modes and loss of resolustion and deinterlacing in post, however from the tests i have done i havn't found the difference to be noticable enough to warrant the extra hours. My advice would be to keep this part simple, and spend sime on production and grading (color correction) etc, but thats just the way i work, everyone has their own methods i gues. I also really find it necessary to edit with progressive video becuase i hate looking at interlaced cr*.*p. I hope this makes sense.

Thanks again Man

Alex Raskin · October 27th, 2005, 11:28 PM

Nicholas, nice work - and The Riddle is also great.

You might want to submit your music video to the HDV Festival we're organizing: www.HDVawards.org

Regarding the Cineframe - I also tend to use Cineframe 30, and earlier consensus was that there's a built-in smart deinterlacer in Sony HDV cams that only loses resolution in the moving areas of the image.

However later article by Adam Wilt suggests that the cam simply trashes one field.

I'm not sure what is really going on, but it seems like the are 2 approaches:

1. Just like you said - keep it simple, shoot in Cineframe 30 (here in US anyway) and then edit as progressive video.

2. Alternatively, shoot without any Cineframe modes to keep resolution as high as possible; then deinterlace in AE + Twixtor Field Set (that's what I do), then output back to Cineform AHD for editing. This approach totally kills mobility, but supposedly allows you to keep all the image quality you want to keep. Plus, you can even dial in how much motion blur you want with your progressive image (using other AE plug-ins) etc.

If I knew for a fact that Cineframe 30 does not just discard a field, i would stick with #1 as you do...

Another great thing would be for Cineform AHD to actually smart-deinterlace the 1080i footage on conversion from m2t to AHD avi. That'd be the day.

Miguel Lopez · October 30th, 2005, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Nelson

Very interesting 35mm adapter you put together. Is this from the redrock book that you figured that out? Is the image upside down in the eyepiece and you have to flip it in post?

What lenses do you use? 35 still or cinema glass?

How'd you make that dolly?

All very cool! Now, you just need something to do some curved shots around your subject, like the one they have here http://www.ready2roll.de/Skatertest/...d%20Moves.html

Hi Jeff, how did you find this great video? Quality is superb and lighting is also great.

Cy Hogg · November 10th, 2005, 08:25 PM

Hey Nicholas, great job. I've seen Macgregor's work, which is also fantastic and inspirational, but regardless, i loved your piece, definately solid. Please post some pics of your track and dolly, i'm about to either build or buy one and i'd love to learn from your experience if you're willing to share with us. Also, i'm interested in buying a jib, please let me know where to look if you have an opinion on one that is well enough made to be usable for pro level work. Have you played with Flourescent lights at all? I saw the redhead in your pics, which i also have, but just ordered some Flouro's and i'm curious who's worked with them.

JT Coleman · November 25th, 2005, 01:09 PM

Nicholas,

You're my new hero, these images look great ! ;p

please excuse my stupid questions, but i am a little new to this and trying to figure out how to achieve a look like this is my new goal. I own an XL1S but all of my stuff has come out looking very flat/digital.

If you don't mind, can you give me a little more information on what you did? specifically, I am curious about..

- your lenses. it sounds like you custom fit them with gear rings, and built your own follow focus...?
- your lighting setups. it was hard to tell from the behind the scenes pictures, could you give me a brief overview of the lighting set up you did?
- your video assist... what kind of monitor do you use?
- and, lastly, how much grading / color correction did you end up doing in post? was this done in premiere? aftereffects?

again, sorry for the newbie questions and thanks !

JT
Austin, Tx

Daniel Nunez · November 27th, 2005, 11:42 AM

It was so good. Congrats!

Anthony Jackson · November 19th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Keep up the good work.I like the color in the video nice editing.
Look Like pro work.

Carlos E. Martinez · November 20th, 2006, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholas Bartleet

Anyway, here is the link to the video, I just wish everyone could see the quality of the original.

http://www.pixelloft.com/3lflex.htm

Nick

I think something is wrong with the URL. I am taken to a site with photos only, no video.

Carlos

Alex Raskin · November 20th, 2006, 08:38 AM

Cy Hogg: I see from your post above you're interested in a dolly, and I have a perfect one for sale. Please contact me directly.

October 14th, 2005, 11:01 AM	#31
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Viktor, try the alternative imaging section of DVInfo.. everyting you want to know is there. You can also read through the PS Techknic area, I recently wrote a message describing the inner workings of the mini35 from a technical standpoint. The principle is very simple - once you understand it ;) __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

November 10th, 2005, 08:25 PM	#36
Cy Hogg Tourist Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	Looks Great Hey Nicholas, great job. I've seen Macgregor's work, which is also fantastic and inspirational, but regardless, i loved your piece, definately solid. Please post some pics of your track and dolly, i'm about to either build or buy one and i'd love to learn from your experience if you're willing to share with us. Also, i'm interested in buying a jib, please let me know where to look if you have an opinion on one that is well enough made to be usable for pro level work. Have you played with Flourescent lights at all? I saw the redhead in your pics, which i also have, but just ordered some Flouro's and i'm curious who's worked with them.

November 25th, 2005, 01:09 PM	#37
JT Coleman Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 32	Video questions Nicholas, You're my new hero, these images look great ! ;p please excuse my stupid questions, but i am a little new to this and trying to figure out how to achieve a look like this is my new goal. I own an XL1S but all of my stuff has come out looking very flat/digital. If you don't mind, can you give me a little more information on what you did? specifically, I am curious about.. - your lenses. it sounds like you custom fit them with gear rings, and built your own follow focus...? - your lighting setups. it was hard to tell from the behind the scenes pictures, could you give me a brief overview of the lighting set up you did? - your video assist... what kind of monitor do you use? - and, lastly, how much grading / color correction did you end up doing in post? was this done in premiere? aftereffects? again, sorry for the newbie questions and thanks ! JT Austin, Tx

November 19th, 2006, 06:44 PM	#39
Anthony Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: concord CA, Posts: 28	Hands down Keep up the good work.I like the color in the video nice editing. Look Like pro work.

October 19th, 2005, 11:44 AM	#32
Rafael Cruz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 43	Nicholas great job! i really enjoyed your short film alot "riddle" nice twist on there and award deserving piece of story telling. now as for the video do you mind sharing your workflow with the fx1 as everybody knows the fx1/z1 are know for lack of real progresive imaging, did you shoot on 60i and deiterlaced on post ? to what 30p? keep it up youll be one of the big ones! good luck

October 19th, 2005, 12:05 PM	#33
Nicholas Bartleet Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: upton uk Posts: 104	Hi Rafael, thankyou so much for your kind comments, i really appreciate it. It makes me want to go and work even harder. Anyway, i always tend to shoot in cineframe or the equivalent. I actually live in the uk and therefore have the pal version which i am told is considerably better in cineframe than the ntsc version. I did use to shoot my xl1s in frame mode too. I have to say, i think a lot of fuss is made over true progressive and frame modes and loss of resolustion and deinterlacing in post, however from the tests i have done i havn't found the difference to be noticable enough to warrant the extra hours. My advice would be to keep this part simple, and spend sime on production and grading (color correction) etc, but thats just the way i work, everyone has their own methods i gues. I also really find it necessary to edit with progressive video becuase i hate looking at interlaced cr.p. I hope this makes sense. Thanks again Man

October 27th, 2005, 11:28 PM	#34
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Nicholas, nice work - and The Riddle is also great. You might want to submit your music video to the HDV Festival we're organizing: www.HDVawards.org Regarding the Cineframe - I also tend to use Cineframe 30, and earlier consensus was that there's a built-in smart deinterlacer in Sony HDV cams that only loses resolution in the moving areas of the image. However later article by Adam Wilt suggests that the cam simply trashes one field. I'm not sure what is really going on, but it seems like the are 2 approaches: 1. Just like you said - keep it simple, shoot in Cineframe 30 (here in US anyway) and then edit as progressive video. 2. Alternatively, shoot without any Cineframe modes to keep resolution as high as possible; then deinterlace in AE + Twixtor Field Set (that's what I do), then output back to Cineform AHD for editing. This approach totally kills mobility, but supposedly allows you to keep all the image quality you want to keep. Plus, you can even dial in how much motion blur you want with your progressive image (using other AE plug-ins) etc. If I knew for a fact that Cineframe 30 does not just discard a field, i would stick with #1 as you do... Another great thing would be for Cineform AHD to actually smart-deinterlace the 1080i footage on conversion from m2t to AHD avi. That'd be the day.

November 27th, 2005, 11:42 AM	#38
Daniel Nunez New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 16	It was so good. Congrats!

November 20th, 2006, 08:38 AM	#41
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Cy Hogg: I see from your post above you're interested in a dolly, and I have a perfect one for sale. Please contact me directly.