Does Sennheiser K6 fit direct to HVR-Z1? at DVinfo.net

Peter Berggren · April 29th, 2010, 04:30 AM

Do any of you use Sennheiser K6/ME64 with HVR-Z1? Does it fit into the original mic holder on the camera or is any spacer tube need as when fitting a Sony ECM-NV1 in the holder?

How is the wind sensitivity on the mic?

I often shoot out from trains, like you see in the trailer below (sorry about the language, but the final DVD also have English subtitles...). I’m looking for a mono mic with very little wind sensitivity to fit on the camera. And we will soon filming a similar event, using one Z1 on each train, this time with diesel trains, and I’m in need of one new microphone on each camera. Last time we had one ECM-NV1 with big Reinhardt furs on each camera, but one of those cameras will not be available this time. So I was wondering to buy two better microphones for my two Z1 cameras.

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Chris Soucy · April 29th, 2010, 02:49 PM

Can't answer your question directly as I have no info on the Z1, but the K6 power module (and ME series mic's) are 22.2 mm in diameter.

They don't natively fit the Canon XH series cameras so expect they may be a tad thin for the Z1 as well.

As for wind sensitivity, average, like most mic's. When they, my ME's, that is, go out to play they always have either a Rycote Softie or on a bad day the full monty Rycote Windjammer blimp and outer dead cat.

Judging from the trailer, you really make those mic's work for a living and in a howling gale to boot.

The scary thing about the ME64 (don't get me wrong, it's a great mic and does what it's supposed to very well indeed) is that if you plug it into the camera and put on a set of cans to monitor, it's picking up sound from all over the place - behind you, from each side, ABOVE (yeah, that plane that to your ears was well out of ear shot, suddenly isn't), everywhere.

For that reason it only ever comes out in environments where I have a significant amount of control (which isn't often) so my two weapons of choice are the ME66 & ME67.

The ME67 lives on my camera so that the sound field closely resembles the visual field. The ME66 goes into bat for street interviews and those urban shoots when there is no way to control extraneous noise (cars, motor mowers, planes, air con etc) and the narrow sound field of the pair can be used to "cut through" the clutter.

For your application I'd probably recomend the ME66 as a better all rounder than the ME64, with the ME67 being an even better "clutter cutter"".

Good luck.

CS

Gerd Kogler · April 29th, 2010, 09:22 PM

The Sennheiser K6 Powermodule has XLR connection. The Sony HVR-Z1 has 2 XLR mike inputs. You can use the cams 48V phantom power. So no AA battery required in the K6. I use ME66 and the ME67 modules on a HVR-Z7, and they are both pretty sensitive. I don't think you can get good sound with any of their modules (there are another three available: ME62, ME64 and ME65) shooting out of a train window, even with a high quality wind noise absorber. Perhaps from inbetween carriages.
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Darrill Stoddart · May 3rd, 2010, 12:47 PM

No, the K6 series mic's are too thin in diameter to fit into the mic holder on the Z1. I have tried to wrap them in rubber but even then they are not very secure.

Martin Mayer · May 3rd, 2010, 02:06 PM

Agreed - too thin for the Z1 mount. I use a Rycote Multimount in the accessory shoe.

However... if you shoot "out of trains" (=8-O) you'll probably need a full Zeppelin on a pole?

April 29th, 2010, 04:30 AM	#1
Peter Berggren New Boot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Karlstad, Sweden Posts: 8	Does Sennheiser K6 fit direct to HVR-Z1? Do any of you use Sennheiser K6/ME64 with HVR-Z1? Does it fit into the original mic holder on the camera or is any spacer tube need as when fitting a Sony ECM-NV1 in the holder? How is the wind sensitivity on the mic? I often shoot out from trains, like you see in the trailer below (sorry about the language, but the final DVD also have English subtitles...). I’m looking for a mono mic with very little wind sensitivity to fit on the camera. And we will soon filming a similar event, using one Z1 on each train, this time with diesel trains, and I’m in need of one new microphone on each camera. Last time we had one ECM-NV1 with big Reinhardt furs on each camera, but one of those cameras will not be available this time. So I was wondering to buy two better microphones for my two Z1 cameras. YouTube - BJs SJK Parallellkörning med ånglok på Västkustbanan __________________ Railway photographer and dvd producer. Has been filming since 1990, today using HDV. Last edited by Peter Berggren; April 29th, 2010 at 04:31 AM. Reason: Try to spell better... :-)

April 29th, 2010, 02:49 PM	#2
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,691 Images: 18	Hi Peter.............. Can't answer your question directly as I have no info on the Z1, but the K6 power module (and ME series mic's) are 22.2 mm in diameter. They don't natively fit the Canon XH series cameras so expect they may be a tad thin for the Z1 as well. As for wind sensitivity, average, like most mic's. When they, my ME's, that is, go out to play they always have either a Rycote Softie or on a bad day the full monty Rycote Windjammer blimp and outer dead cat. Judging from the trailer, you really make those mic's work for a living and in a howling gale to boot. The scary thing about the ME64 (don't get me wrong, it's a great mic and does what it's supposed to very well indeed) is that if you plug it into the camera and put on a set of cans to monitor, it's picking up sound from all over the place - behind you, from each side, ABOVE (yeah, that plane that to your ears was well out of ear shot, suddenly isn't), everywhere. For that reason it only ever comes out in environments where I have a significant amount of control (which isn't often) so my two weapons of choice are the ME66 & ME67. The ME67 lives on my camera so that the sound field closely resembles the visual field. The ME66 goes into bat for street interviews and those urban shoots when there is no way to control extraneous noise (cars, motor mowers, planes, air con etc) and the narrow sound field of the pair can be used to "cut through" the clutter. For your application I'd probably recomend the ME66 as a better all rounder than the ME64, with the ME67 being an even better "clutter cutter"". Good luck. CS

April 29th, 2010, 09:22 PM	#3
Gerd Kogler Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NSW / Australia Posts: 76	Does Sennheiser K6 fit direct to HVR-Z1 The Sennheiser K6 Powermodule has XLR connection. The Sony HVR-Z1 has 2 XLR mike inputs. You can use the cams 48V phantom power. So no AA battery required in the K6. I use ME66 and the ME67 modules on a HVR-Z7, and they are both pretty sensitive. I don't think you can get good sound with any of their modules (there are another three available: ME62, ME64 and ME65) shooting out of a train window, even with a high quality wind noise absorber. Perhaps from inbetween carriages. Ciao, Gerd Last edited by Gerd Kogler; April 29th, 2010 at 09:24 PM. Reason: oversight

May 3rd, 2010, 12:47 PM	#4
Darrill Stoddart New Boot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London Posts: 5	Does Sennheiser K6 fit direct to HVR-Z1? No, the K6 series mic's are too thin in diameter to fit into the mic holder on the Z1. I have tried to wrap them in rubber but even then they are not very secure.

May 3rd, 2010, 02:06 PM	#5
Martin Mayer Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 416	Agreed - too thin for the Z1 mount. I use a Rycote Multimount in the accessory shoe. However... if you shoot "out of trains" (=8-O) you'll probably need a full Zeppelin on a pole? Attached Images __________________ Martin at HeadSpin HD on Blu-ray