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Olivier Vanaschen · June 14th, 2005, 10:52 AM

Hello everybody,

we've just finished a no budget music video for a belgian rock band called norma.

Here's the link to the video:

http://www.theblacksheep.be/temp/norma.mov

It was shot with a PAL FX1 in HDV and two PAL Z1. We shot with a shutter of 1/25 (making the picture actually progressive) in low light. We had a tripod and a small Cobra Crane. We did capture with ConnectHD, edited in HDV in Premiere Pro 1.5.1, sfx and color grading in After Effects 6.5. The fake motion control effect/360 shots were done with just a tripod and AfterFX.

We hope you'll like it :-)

Bryan McCullough · June 14th, 2005, 11:26 AM

Nice work!

The lighting look wonderful, very clean pictures.

Mike Moncrief · June 14th, 2005, 12:22 PM

Hi,

Nice job, On the shots with the panning motion, which look like they are continuous, i assume you did a pan on the tripod, and then in After effects you "stitched' together two separate pans to make them look continuos??
Did you have any of the "Cinema" features turned on in the camera to help achieve the Film look ??

Thanks,
Mike moncrief

Robert Young · June 14th, 2005, 01:19 PM

Oliver
Excellent! Great editing work, beautiful footage. Please elaborate on the usage of 1/25 shutter speed. Exactly how does this produce a "progressive" image?
Thanks
Bob

Bjorn Moren · June 14th, 2005, 02:26 PM

Nice work Oliver. :-)

Ben Gurvich · June 14th, 2005, 06:44 PM

I take it you guys didnt use motion control, just wondering how you synced it all up?

Cheers,
Ben Gurvich

Ray Saavedra · June 15th, 2005, 10:11 PM

Oliver, really nice editing.

"The fake motion control effect/360 shots were done with just a tripod and AfterFX."

I sort of understand how it was done in FX. But how did you get it to be seamless? That's what it looks to me.

Thanks,
Ray

Michael Pappas · June 16th, 2005, 05:37 PM

Olivier Vanaschen,

Fantastic job! Excellent execution in shots and blending of your material. Absolutely professional work.

Michael Pappas

Shannon Rawls · June 16th, 2005, 06:47 PM

Nice video!

John Inman · June 16th, 2005, 07:38 PM

Really nice! The video is excellent and I really like the song.

Olivier Vanaschen · June 23rd, 2005, 12:28 PM

thanks a lot everybody for the comments ! Sorry for the late answer, we had a lot of work to finish...

It was a 360 stage. Actually, we did shoot 9 static shots (that did overlap each other a bit) and stiched them together in After Effects to create a huge huge picture (something like 12000px x 1080px) and then did the panning in post. It's exactly the same process as making a panoramic picture in still photography but in video. We asked the band to play the whole song, each member seperately so we could move when we wanted. To make more than one turn, we did stich the 12000px image three times, making a huge 40mpx + composition in AE, pretty heavy rendering :-)

Here's a picture of the panoramic video: http://www.theblacksheep.be/temp/norma01.jpg

Actually, we did like the look of the 1/25 shutter. We still don't understand how or why it's even progressive (we just looked at the picture in AE and it surely is). This kind of semi-slow shutter helps making the movements smoother,... We won't use everytime but here it did work well. Actually, it shows really when you watch it on TV.

Thanks again,

the black sheep

Steven White · June 23rd, 2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

We still don't understand how or why it's even progressive

I belive it's progressive because coming off a 50 Hz interlaced chip, it's impossible to have a 1/25th shutter without simply ignoring one field. Hence, at 1/25, you're essentially using the Cineframe25 mode.

-Steve

Alex Raskin · October 27th, 2005, 11:46 PM

Olivier, I remember watching your video, and it was great. Try www.HDVawards.org

Adlan Estemir · November 6th, 2005, 07:44 AM

Olivier,

I am very much interested in this 25 shutter. But I have serious problems when panning, tilting, in general when moving the camera. It is like the picture is blurry or the camera has problems to maintain autofocus. If I can avoid these problems I want to use this shutter speed.

Did you notice such problems when shooting???

This shutter speed is easy to prepare lighting.

Steven White · November 7th, 2005, 01:57 PM

If I can avoid these problems I want to use this shutter speed.

Typically movies are shot with the shutter at 1/2 the framerate. I.e., 24 fps -> 1/48 s shutter. 30 fps -> 1/60 s shutter. 25 fps -> 1/50 s shutter etc.

Having a long shutter will result in extreme motion blur of anything that moves... so any camera motion, shake, zoom will result in your entire image becoming blurry. Since there's very little high-spatial-frequency information in the image, it will be quite difficult for any auto-focus algorithm to pick out a real object to focus on.

Therefore, if you really want to shoot with a 1/25 shutter, you should be very careful with camera motion and use manual focus.

-Steve

June 14th, 2005, 10:52 AM	#1
Olivier Vanaschen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 35	fx1 new music video Hello everybody, we've just finished a no budget music video for a belgian rock band called norma. Here's the link to the video: http://www.theblacksheep.be/temp/norma.mov It was shot with a PAL FX1 in HDV and two PAL Z1. We shot with a shutter of 1/25 (making the picture actually progressive) in low light. We had a tripod and a small Cobra Crane. We did capture with ConnectHD, edited in HDV in Premiere Pro 1.5.1, sfx and color grading in After Effects 6.5. The fake motion control effect/360 shots were done with just a tripod and AfterFX. We hope you'll like it :-) __________________ olivier vanaschen & olan bowland, www.theblacksheep.be

June 14th, 2005, 12:22 PM	#3
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Hi, Nice job, On the shots with the panning motion, which look like they are continuous, i assume you did a pan on the tripod, and then in After effects you "stitched' together two separate pans to make them look continuos?? Did you have any of the "Cinema" features turned on in the camera to help achieve the Film look ?? Thanks, Mike moncrief __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

June 15th, 2005, 10:11 PM	#7
Ray Saavedra Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 127	Oliver, really nice editing. "The fake motion control effect/360 shots were done with just a tripod and AfterFX." I sort of understand how it was done in FX. But how did you get it to be seamless? That's what it looks to me. Thanks, Ray __________________ junray@yahoo.com

June 16th, 2005, 06:47 PM	#9
Shannon Rawls Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 853	Nice video! __________________ Shannon W. Rawls ~ Motion Picture Producer & huge advocate of Digital Acquisition.

June 23rd, 2005, 12:28 PM	#11
Olivier Vanaschen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 35	thanks!!! thanks a lot everybody for the comments ! Sorry for the late answer, we had a lot of work to finish... It was a 360 stage. Actually, we did shoot 9 static shots (that did overlap each other a bit) and stiched them together in After Effects to create a huge huge picture (something like 12000px x 1080px) and then did the panning in post. It's exactly the same process as making a panoramic picture in still photography but in video. We asked the band to play the whole song, each member seperately so we could move when we wanted. To make more than one turn, we did stich the 12000px image three times, making a huge 40mpx + composition in AE, pretty heavy rendering :-) Here's a picture of the panoramic video: http://www.theblacksheep.be/temp/norma01.jpg Actually, we did like the look of the 1/25 shutter. We still don't understand how or why it's even progressive (we just looked at the picture in AE and it surely is). This kind of semi-slow shutter helps making the movements smoother,... We won't use everytime but here it did work well. Actually, it shows really when you watch it on TV. Thanks again, the black sheep __________________ olivier vanaschen & olan bowland, www.theblacksheep.be

June 14th, 2005, 11:26 AM	#2
Bryan McCullough Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 842	Nice work! The lighting look wonderful, very clean pictures.

June 14th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#4
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	Oliver Excellent! Great editing work, beautiful footage. Please elaborate on the usage of 1/25 shutter speed. Exactly how does this produce a "progressive" image? Thanks Bob

June 14th, 2005, 02:26 PM	#5
Bjorn Moren Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 65	Nice work Oliver. :-)

June 14th, 2005, 06:44 PM	#6
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	I take it you guys didnt use motion control, just wondering how you synced it all up? Cheers, Ben Gurvich

June 16th, 2005, 05:37 PM	#8
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Olivier Vanaschen, Fantastic job! Excellent execution in shots and blending of your material. Absolutely professional work. Michael Pappas

June 16th, 2005, 07:38 PM	#10
John Inman Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boones Mill, Virginia Posts: 267	Really nice! The video is excellent and I really like the song.

October 27th, 2005, 11:46 PM	#13
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Olivier, I remember watching your video, and it was great. Try www.HDVawards.org

November 6th, 2005, 07:44 AM	#14
Adlan Estemir Tourist Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2	25 Shutter Olivier, I am very much interested in this 25 shutter. But I have serious problems when panning, tilting, in general when moving the camera. It is like the picture is blurry or the camera has problems to maintain autofocus. If I can avoid these problems I want to use this shutter speed. Did you notice such problems when shooting??? This shutter speed is easy to prepare lighting.

November 7th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#15
Steven White Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 547	If I can avoid these problems I want to use this shutter speed. Typically movies are shot with the shutter at 1/2 the framerate. I.e., 24 fps -> 1/48 s shutter. 30 fps -> 1/60 s shutter. 25 fps -> 1/50 s shutter etc. Having a long shutter will result in extreme motion blur of anything that moves... so any camera motion, shake, zoom will result in your entire image becoming blurry. Since there's very little high-spatial-frequency information in the image, it will be quite difficult for any auto-focus algorithm to pick out a real object to focus on. Therefore, if you really want to shoot with a 1/25 shutter, you should be very careful with camera motion and use manual focus. -Steve