DVM-63HD vs. PHDVM-63DM vs. MiniDV tape at DVinfo.net

Darren Kelly · June 9th, 2005, 04:06 PM

Has anyone tried these two specialy tapes, and do they really live up to the additional price or are they just marketing hype.

In reviewing some of my footage, I have noticed the odd drop out, and I have had some tearing in fast pan, etc stuff. This ofcourse is using the cheap tape.

Can anyone really see the difference, or send me to a web site where I can see some tests or ???

Thanks

DBK

Sean M Lee · June 9th, 2005, 10:44 PM

I use them...I feel that the difference in price is inconsequential...especially if you're used to Beta, DigiBeta or HDCam tape prices.

from sony's website about the digital master tape:
Professional Media Optimized for HDV Applications

Designed in conjunction with the new camcorder and VTR is Sony's recommended professional media for HDV applications, DigitalMaster™ videotape. These 63-minute cassettes use Sony's AME II Technology and its unique dual-active magnetic layers. By improving on an already successful product, the new AME II manufacturing process employs Hyper Evaticle IV magnetic grains, improved lubricants, and a refined Diamond-Like Carbon (DLC) layer. DigitalMaster exhibits greater packing density of magnetic grains, higher retentivity, higher output and lower noise. The result is a more robust tape with fewer dropouts and errors.

James Gurden · June 10th, 2005, 06:15 AM

Well, anecdotally, I've now shot about 200 hours using the Digital Masters (at £9/$16 ish a pop), and even then have suffered some dropout. I've had four instances in that time, (though that's shooting in a massive variety of locations - heat, cold, dirty, etc. And of course regularly cleaning the heads... ) Fortunately no were on shots that made it to final cut.

But given that HDV dropout is inherantly up to 1/2 a sec which is ruinous to a shot, I have to say I really wouldn't consider using cheaper tapes. As Darren mentioned, the cost is OK when looked at compared to DIGI, and would I risk having more dropout than I've already had? No.

That said, this is anecdotal, and I've not seen any comparison tests on Digital Master vs others...

James Gurden · June 10th, 2005, 06:22 AM

I of course was quoting Sean, not Darren...
oops.

Darren Kelly · June 10th, 2005, 09:29 AM

Well. I think I'm convinced.

When I started out, I had an EWW300 High 8 camera, and when SOny released to Diamond coated tape, even though it was about 2X the cost of regular Pro Hi8, I bought it, and got few if any dropouts.

Some how with the advent of mini dv, I took the cheap route.

Thanks for helping me see the light

DBK

June 9th, 2005, 04:06 PM	#1
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	DVM-63HD vs. PHDVM-63DM vs. MiniDV tape Has anyone tried these two specialy tapes, and do they really live up to the additional price or are they just marketing hype. In reviewing some of my footage, I have noticed the odd drop out, and I have had some tearing in fast pan, etc stuff. This ofcourse is using the cheap tape. Can anyone really see the difference, or send me to a web site where I can see some tests or ??? Thanks DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

June 10th, 2005, 06:15 AM	#3
James Gurden New Boot Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 7	Well, anecdotally, I've now shot about 200 hours using the Digital Masters (at £9/$16 ish a pop), and even then have suffered some dropout. I've had four instances in that time, (though that's shooting in a massive variety of locations - heat, cold, dirty, etc. And of course regularly cleaning the heads... ) Fortunately no were on shots that made it to final cut. But given that HDV dropout is inherantly up to 1/2 a sec which is ruinous to a shot, I have to say I really wouldn't consider using cheaper tapes. As Darren mentioned, the cost is OK when looked at compared to DIGI, and would I risk having more dropout than I've already had? No. That said, this is anecdotal, and I've not seen any comparison tests on Digital Master vs others... __________________ J Gurden

June 10th, 2005, 06:22 AM	#4
James Gurden New Boot Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 7	I of course was quoting Sean, not Darren... oops. __________________ J Gurden

June 10th, 2005, 09:29 AM	#5
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	Well. I think I'm convinced. When I started out, I had an EWW300 High 8 camera, and when SOny released to Diamond coated tape, even though it was about 2X the cost of regular Pro Hi8, I bought it, and got few if any dropouts. Some how with the advent of mini dv, I took the cheap route. Thanks for helping me see the light DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

June 9th, 2005, 10:44 PM	#2
Sean M Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 160	I use them...I feel that the difference in price is inconsequential...especially if you're used to Beta, DigiBeta or HDCam tape prices. from sony's website about the digital master tape: Professional Media Optimized for HDV Applications Designed in conjunction with the new camcorder and VTR is Sony's recommended professional media for HDV applications, DigitalMaster™ videotape. These 63-minute cassettes use Sony's AME II Technology and its unique dual-active magnetic layers. By improving on an already successful product, the new AME II manufacturing process employs Hyper Evaticle IV magnetic grains, improved lubricants, and a refined Diamond-Like Carbon (DLC) layer. DigitalMaster exhibits greater packing density of magnetic grains, higher retentivity, higher output and lower noise. The result is a more robust tape with fewer dropouts and errors.