How many are using regular dv tape ? at DVinfo.net

Kurth Bousman · March 25th, 2005, 01:41 PM

and getting good results w/ few , if any dropouts. Could we have a little poll ? thanks - Kurth

Robin Davies-Rollinson · March 25th, 2005, 01:59 PM

I'm using Sony Premium tape only with no problems. It was the first tape in the camera and I'm sticking with them.

Robin

Sean M Lee · March 25th, 2005, 02:25 PM

I won't use the cheap stuff. The good stuff is very affordable, saving $2-5 bucks isn't worth it IMHO. Compared to D1, Digibeta, HDCam, etc...these tapes are just so cheap, so get the best....unless your footage isn't worth it LOL!!

Kurth Bousman · March 25th, 2005, 03:24 PM

Sean - it looks to me like more of a $10 difference though. Over at cow , there's a thread running with the opposite theme- that people are getting good results using $3 tapes . Now is this just a Sony marketing ploy or is it about that 1/25th of 1% that might get lost. Maybe I could live with that - I'd like to know that's an option anyway. I mean if your shooting a narrative piece that depends on the momentary, never repeatable effort of many people - then obviously go for the best tape but if more casual efforts could get by on less , then that possiblity should be explored . thanks- Kurh

Barry Green · March 25th, 2005, 03:42 PM

Kurth, your reasoning is perfectly sound, except for one unknown factor -- the Cow article is talking about the new Sony tapes as having an incompatible lubricant, a repeat of 1996/1997 all over again.

Whether their facts are accurate or not remains to be determined, but the gist of the DVDoctor article is that if you mix the new Sony HDV tape with any other DV tape, you get clogged heads and gunk. So if you were to go with the high-quality HDV tapes, you may have to stay committed to them, and if you go with regular DV tapes, you may not really have the option to go to the high-quality stuff.

But that, to me, is unproven as of yet. It's just a summary of what the DVDoctor article is saying, which is the subject of the thread over at the cow.

Michael Stewart · March 25th, 2005, 06:37 PM

I have ran 30 tapes through it, (non Sony, they use a wet lubricant, which means once you use Sony, you have to stick with it) not one dropped frame from el cheapo tapes (JVC $3.95)

Mike

Shannon Rawls · March 25th, 2005, 06:47 PM

Shannon < -- cheap $3 sony excellence.

Murry Dalton · March 25th, 2005, 11:32 PM

Hi, Kurth
I havn't had any trouble as long as I use sony tapes in my Z1.
I have used Sony excelence with just a few dropouts and Sony digital master tapes with no dropouts. I have decided to use digital master tapes.
I did have problems when I used my panasonic tapes in my Z1
I have had many tell me to not mix brands. I did learn a lesson that I won't repeat.

Colvin Eccleston · March 26th, 2005, 02:34 AM

It was only yesterday that I found a place selling the HDV tapes in the UK. I have been using the Sony Premium, like RDR. There is a £10 difference between each tape cost and at up to 10 tapes per event, that is a big difference in cost at my price level. At that rate it is cheaper to buy a direct-to-disk-solution or use a backup cam.

Christopher C. Murphy · March 26th, 2005, 09:33 AM

Murph <<---- Sony Excellence too. Best tape just shy of DigitalMaster

Eric James · March 26th, 2005, 09:48 AM

I'm using TDK bulk from costco. I have 40 hours of footage shot and captured this way. I have about one dropout per 2 tapes, but I find that if I play over the dropout again it isn't ever there twice. So in that respect I haven't had any dropouts.
Thanks,
Eric James

Christopher C. Murphy · March 26th, 2005, 09:53 AM

Can everyone tell me where they buy tape? I'm looking to buy some and I wonder where the cheapest is?

I have used www.taperesources.com until now - and of course B&H!

Joonas Kiviharju · March 28th, 2005, 04:10 AM

I'm using Sony Premium, 4€ each. On the first five tapes I used there were about 3 dropouts while playback, and they all went away after rewinding. So after some 25 tapes, I have no permanent dropouts on any of them.

Tim Ashbrooke · March 28th, 2005, 05:56 PM

Im using Panasonic PQ and MQ tapes. Not one dropout......

Joel Corral · March 28th, 2005, 06:36 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson : I'm using Sony Premium tape only with no problems. It was the first tape in the camera and I'm sticking with them.

Robin -->>>

as i am too...

j

March 25th, 2005, 01:41 PM	#1
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	How many are using regular dv tape ? and getting good results w/ few , if any dropouts. Could we have a little poll ? thanks - Kurth

March 26th, 2005, 09:33 AM	#10
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Murph <<---- Sony Excellence too. Best tape just shy of DigitalMaster __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 26th, 2005, 09:53 AM	#12
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Can everyone tell me where they buy tape? I'm looking to buy some and I wonder where the cheapest is? I have used www.taperesources.com until now - and of course B&H! __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 25th, 2005, 01:59 PM	#2
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	I'm using Sony Premium tape only with no problems. It was the first tape in the camera and I'm sticking with them. Robin

March 25th, 2005, 02:25 PM	#3
Sean M Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 160	I won't use the cheap stuff. The good stuff is very affordable, saving $2-5 bucks isn't worth it IMHO. Compared to D1, Digibeta, HDCam, etc...these tapes are just so cheap, so get the best....unless your footage isn't worth it LOL!!

March 25th, 2005, 03:24 PM	#4
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	Sean - it looks to me like more of a $10 difference though. Over at cow , there's a thread running with the opposite theme- that people are getting good results using $3 tapes . Now is this just a Sony marketing ploy or is it about that 1/25th of 1% that might get lost. Maybe I could live with that - I'd like to know that's an option anyway. I mean if your shooting a narrative piece that depends on the momentary, never repeatable effort of many people - then obviously go for the best tape but if more casual efforts could get by on less , then that possiblity should be explored . thanks- Kurh

March 25th, 2005, 03:42 PM	#5
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Kurth, your reasoning is perfectly sound, except for one unknown factor -- the Cow article is talking about the new Sony tapes as having an incompatible lubricant, a repeat of 1996/1997 all over again. Whether their facts are accurate or not remains to be determined, but the gist of the DVDoctor article is that if you mix the new Sony HDV tape with any other DV tape, you get clogged heads and gunk. So if you were to go with the high-quality HDV tapes, you may have to stay committed to them, and if you go with regular DV tapes, you may not really have the option to go to the high-quality stuff. But that, to me, is unproven as of yet. It's just a summary of what the DVDoctor article is saying, which is the subject of the thread over at the cow.

March 25th, 2005, 06:37 PM	#6
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	I have ran 30 tapes through it, (non Sony, they use a wet lubricant, which means once you use Sony, you have to stick with it) not one dropped frame from el cheapo tapes (JVC $3.95) Mike

March 25th, 2005, 06:47 PM	#7
Shannon Rawls Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 853	Shannon < -- cheap $3 sony excellence.

March 25th, 2005, 11:32 PM	#8
Murry Dalton New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Jordan Utah Posts: 9	Hi, Kurth I havn't had any trouble as long as I use sony tapes in my Z1. I have used Sony excelence with just a few dropouts and Sony digital master tapes with no dropouts. I have decided to use digital master tapes. I did have problems when I used my panasonic tapes in my Z1 I have had many tell me to not mix brands. I did learn a lesson that I won't repeat.

March 26th, 2005, 02:34 AM	#9
Colvin Eccleston Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 93	It was only yesterday that I found a place selling the HDV tapes in the UK. I have been using the Sony Premium, like RDR. There is a £10 difference between each tape cost and at up to 10 tapes per event, that is a big difference in cost at my price level. At that rate it is cheaper to buy a direct-to-disk-solution or use a backup cam.

March 26th, 2005, 09:48 AM	#11
Eric James Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 126	I'm using TDK bulk from costco. I have 40 hours of footage shot and captured this way. I have about one dropout per 2 tapes, but I find that if I play over the dropout again it isn't ever there twice. So in that respect I haven't had any dropouts. Thanks, Eric James

March 28th, 2005, 04:10 AM	#13
Joonas Kiviharju Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 52	I'm using Sony Premium, 4€ each. On the first five tapes I used there were about 3 dropouts while playback, and they all went away after rewinding. So after some 25 tapes, I have no permanent dropouts on any of them.

March 28th, 2005, 05:56 PM	#14
Tim Ashbrooke Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Grafton, NSW, Australia Posts: 38	Im using Panasonic PQ and MQ tapes. Not one dropout......

March 28th, 2005, 06:36 PM	#15
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	<<<-- Originally posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson : I'm using Sony Premium tape only with no problems. It was the first tape in the camera and I'm sticking with them. Robin -->>> as i am too... j