60i->24p or 50i->24p? at DVinfo.net

Peter Moore · March 14th, 2005, 08:18 AM

What would be the best way to convert Z1 footage to 24p? Using a Magic Bullet-type 60i conversion, or using the camera in PAL mode and altering the framerate? Has anyone done comps? Thanks a lot!

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 14th, 2005, 08:25 AM

Doing this right now. Vegas does a wonderful job of converting, Premiere is fair, Ulead's Media Studio Pro can't do it, Edition probably does, but I've not tested it with this latest shootout round. Final Cut looks very good, so does Avid Express. (we're releasing a 24p help tool at NAB, so I've been testing a lot of software)
Magic Bullet or DVFilm are both quite good, but if it's just the conversion and no film look you're after...the apps overall do a very good job.
If you use Sony Vegas, I've got a tutorial on how to accomplish this on the VASST site, in addition to the Celluloid and Ultimate S tools that we've already released having this capability.

Dylan Pank · March 14th, 2005, 09:49 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : What would be the best way to convert Z1 footage to 24p? Using a Magic Bullet-type 60i conversion, or using the camera in PAL mode and altering the framerate? Has anyone done comps? Thanks a lot! -->>>

To get 24p you still need to do the magic bullet effect on the 50i footage, unless you are going to shoot CF25.

Common sense suggests shooting 50i, "smart" de-interlacing and then reducing the speed 4% as the best option, but common sense is not always reliable.

If you have a Z1, it would be best to try some tests and assess the results first hand.

Peter Moore · March 14th, 2005, 11:46 AM

Douglas, are you starting with 60i or 50i?

Ashton Robinson · March 14th, 2005, 02:27 PM

When you de-interlace footage from the Z1 do you have to decrease the resolution and downconvert to SD or is it possible to do this with HD yet?

Dylan Pank · March 15th, 2005, 06:42 AM

Depending on the plug-ins on your NLE, it is possible to de-interlace in HD resolution, or DVFilm Maker can do this as a standalone app.

Graeme Nattress · March 15th, 2005, 11:52 AM

Film Effects is working good on 60i and 50i from the Z1 in FCP. Both for smart de-interlace and 24p from 60i conversion. You can work in HD too.

Graeme

Kyle Edwards · March 15th, 2005, 04:28 PM

You would want to always deinterlace before resizing.

March 14th, 2005, 08:18 AM	#1
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	60i->24p or 50i->24p? What would be the best way to convert Z1 footage to 24p? Using a Magic Bullet-type 60i conversion, or using the camera in PAL mode and altering the framerate? Has anyone done comps? Thanks a lot!

March 14th, 2005, 08:25 AM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Doing this right now. Vegas does a wonderful job of converting, Premiere is fair, Ulead's Media Studio Pro can't do it, Edition probably does, but I've not tested it with this latest shootout round. Final Cut looks very good, so does Avid Express. (we're releasing a 24p help tool at NAB, so I've been testing a lot of software) Magic Bullet or DVFilm are both quite good, but if it's just the conversion and no film look you're after...the apps overall do a very good job. If you use Sony Vegas, I've got a tutorial on how to accomplish this on the VASST site, in addition to the Celluloid and Ultimate S tools that we've already released having this capability. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 14th, 2005, 09:49 AM	#3
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	Re: 60i->24p or 50i->24p? <<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : What would be the best way to convert Z1 footage to 24p? Using a Magic Bullet-type 60i conversion, or using the camera in PAL mode and altering the framerate? Has anyone done comps? Thanks a lot! -->>> To get 24p you still need to do the magic bullet effect on the 50i footage, unless you are going to shoot CF25. Common sense suggests shooting 50i, "smart" de-interlacing and then reducing the speed 4% as the best option, but common sense is not always reliable. If you have a Z1, it would be best to try some tests and assess the results first hand.

March 15th, 2005, 11:52 AM	#7
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	Film Effects is working good on 60i and 50i from the Z1 in FCP. Both for smart de-interlace and 24p from 60i conversion. You can work in HD too. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

March 14th, 2005, 11:46 AM	#4
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Douglas, are you starting with 60i or 50i?

March 14th, 2005, 02:27 PM	#5
Ashton Robinson New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: sl'Ohio Posts: 17	When you de-interlace footage from the Z1 do you have to decrease the resolution and downconvert to SD or is it possible to do this with HD yet?

March 15th, 2005, 06:42 AM	#6
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	Depending on the plug-ins on your NLE, it is possible to de-interlace in HD resolution, or DVFilm Maker can do this as a standalone app.

March 15th, 2005, 04:28 PM	#8
Kyle Edwards Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 274	You would want to always deinterlace before resizing.