Does the FX1 or Z1 play back frame by frame? at DVinfo.net

Bob Prichard · January 17th, 2005, 10:26 AM

I am planning to use one of these camcorders for sports analysis, but I need sharp frame by frame playback. Does either one of these have it?

Jed Williamson · January 17th, 2005, 01:06 PM

For Golf swing analysis?

If so you might want something that does progressive frames, which this camera doesn't.

Mike Tiffee · January 17th, 2005, 07:58 PM

check out this thread, you can download a sports clip.. I had the shutter at 1/125.. for analysis, i'd run the shutter much higher.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...5&pagenumber=2

The cameras do allow frame by frame playback as well as slow motion.

Starting this year in 2005 we'll be featuring our super slow motion camera on my ABC golf show. Last time we used it at like 18,000 frames per second. They were working on the bandwidth issues to get the frame rates even higher. The camera is capable of over 100,000 frames per second. Pretty cool for sports analysis!!

Bob Prichard · January 17th, 2005, 09:40 PM

100,000 frames per second is overkill for sports analysis, but I would be interested in a 100 frames per second camera where each frame was a megabyte or higher. Do you have such a camera?

Mike Tiffee · January 18th, 2005, 03:26 AM

Actually, a more typical slow motion camera we call the "super mo" which is a camera that is clocked at around 120 fps I believe. It feed directly to a tapeless device called an EVS. Not sure exactly how to get the footage into a file format, but the playback on EVS is fantastic.

Carlos E. Martinez · January 18th, 2005, 07:17 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jed Williamson : For Golf swing analysis?

If so you might want something that does progressive frames, which this camera doesn't. -->>>

Maybe what he is asking is if this camera will advance frame by frame, which even VHS can do and is not progressive.

It can't go-back frame by frame though, but I guess you can only do that on an editing system.

Carlos

Bob Prichard · January 18th, 2005, 07:51 AM

Mike,

I am interested in buying a slow motion camera like the 'super mo' (120fps) you described, but could not find anything about it on Google. Can you point me toward a website or vendor for this product. You mentioned it played back on something called EVS. What is EVS?

Dennis Adams · January 21st, 2005, 09:23 PM

If you're doing this "offline" and can afford the capture time, a good NLE will be able to show each field. I've done this for motion analysis. You get 60 per second, once deinterlaced.

For example, to do this in Vegas, put the 1080-60i HDV on the timeline, captured with a fast shutter speed. Starting with the HDV 1080-60i project template, change the project properties to 59.94 fps, progressive frames. Set the deinterlace mode to "interpolate". Save this as "1080-60p" or something. Now you can step through the individual fields, and they are 1/60 of a second apart.

///d@
Sony Media Software

Brandon Greenlee · January 21st, 2005, 10:00 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob Prichard : Mike,

I am interested in buying a slow motion camera like the 'super mo' (120fps) you described, but could not find anything about it on Google. Can you point me toward a website or vendor for this product. You mentioned it played back on something called EVS. What is EVS? -->>>

I too am very interested in this. I would very much like it to be in the 1000$ range since you could just hook it up to someother device for recording. Any help?

Bob Prichard · January 24th, 2005, 08:25 PM

I visited the Sony store in San Francisco where they had an FX-1 on display. There were no buttons on the camera for frame by frame playback and the store employees did not have the remote or know anything about the camera (duh!). Is there anyone on this forum who has an FX-1 and can check the remote to see if there is frame by frame playback? Thanks.

Khoi Pham · January 24th, 2005, 09:43 PM

Yes, you can do frame by frame playback in forward direction very clean and solid, but when you try to go backward frame by frame it skip 2 seconds or so and it is unusable, probably because of the gop mpeg thing.

January 17th, 2005, 10:26 AM	#1
Bob Prichard Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tiburon CA Posts: 123	Does the FX1 or Z1 play back frame by frame? I am planning to use one of these camcorders for sports analysis, but I need sharp frame by frame playback. Does either one of these have it?

January 21st, 2005, 10:00 PM	#9
Brandon Greenlee Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Alabama Posts: 242	<<<-- Originally posted by Bob Prichard : Mike, I am interested in buying a slow motion camera like the 'super mo' (120fps) you described, but could not find anything about it on Google. Can you point me toward a website or vendor for this product. You mentioned it played back on something called EVS. What is EVS? -->>> I too am very interested in this. I would very much like it to be in the 1000$ range since you could just hook it up to someother device for recording. Any help? __________________ Brandon Greenlee

January 24th, 2005, 09:43 PM	#11
Khoi Pham Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 747	Yes, you can do frame by frame playback in forward direction very clean and solid, but when you try to go backward frame by frame it skip 2 seconds or so and it is unusable, probably because of the gop mpeg thing. __________________ Khoi Pham www.proeditproductions.com

January 17th, 2005, 01:06 PM	#2
Jed Williamson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 175	For Golf swing analysis? If so you might want something that does progressive frames, which this camera doesn't.

January 17th, 2005, 07:58 PM	#3
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	check out this thread, you can download a sports clip.. I had the shutter at 1/125.. for analysis, i'd run the shutter much higher. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...5&pagenumber=2 The cameras do allow frame by frame playback as well as slow motion. Starting this year in 2005 we'll be featuring our super slow motion camera on my ABC golf show. Last time we used it at like 18,000 frames per second. They were working on the bandwidth issues to get the frame rates even higher. The camera is capable of over 100,000 frames per second. Pretty cool for sports analysis!!

January 17th, 2005, 09:40 PM	#4
Bob Prichard Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tiburon CA Posts: 123	100,000 frames per second is overkill for sports analysis, but I would be interested in a 100 frames per second camera where each frame was a megabyte or higher. Do you have such a camera?

January 18th, 2005, 03:26 AM	#5
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	Actually, a more typical slow motion camera we call the "super mo" which is a camera that is clocked at around 120 fps I believe. It feed directly to a tapeless device called an EVS. Not sure exactly how to get the footage into a file format, but the playback on EVS is fantastic.

January 18th, 2005, 07:17 AM	#6
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by Jed Williamson : For Golf swing analysis? If so you might want something that does progressive frames, which this camera doesn't. -->>> Maybe what he is asking is if this camera will advance frame by frame, which even VHS can do and is not progressive. It can't go-back frame by frame though, but I guess you can only do that on an editing system. Carlos

January 18th, 2005, 07:51 AM	#7
Bob Prichard Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tiburon CA Posts: 123	Mike, I am interested in buying a slow motion camera like the 'super mo' (120fps) you described, but could not find anything about it on Google. Can you point me toward a website or vendor for this product. You mentioned it played back on something called EVS. What is EVS?

January 21st, 2005, 09:23 PM	#8
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	If you're doing this "offline" and can afford the capture time, a good NLE will be able to show each field. I've done this for motion analysis. You get 60 per second, once deinterlaced. For example, to do this in Vegas, put the 1080-60i HDV on the timeline, captured with a fast shutter speed. Starting with the HDV 1080-60i project template, change the project properties to 59.94 fps, progressive frames. Set the deinterlace mode to "interpolate". Save this as "1080-60p" or something. Now you can step through the individual fields, and they are 1/60 of a second apart. ///d@ Sony Media Software

January 24th, 2005, 08:25 PM	#10
Bob Prichard Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tiburon CA Posts: 123	I visited the Sony store in San Francisco where they had an FX-1 on display. There were no buttons on the camera for frame by frame playback and the store employees did not have the remote or know anything about the camera (duh!). Is there anyone on this forum who has an FX-1 and can check the remote to see if there is frame by frame playback? Thanks.