How the FX1 works--a very thorough explanation at DVinfo.net

Heath McKnight · December 6th, 2004, 07:21 PM

John Gaspain · December 6th, 2004, 07:42 PM

thanks!

Barry Gribble · December 6th, 2004, 08:47 PM

"very thorough" is an understatement.... wow.

Unfortunate that the FX1 will not be compatible with blu-ray... is that all HDV products to come as well? That severely limits the utility of such a camera....

Dennis Adams · December 7th, 2004, 09:10 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Gribble : Unfortunate that the FX1 will not be compatible with blu-ray...-->>>

How do you figure? HDV is ideal for Blu-ray, HD DVD, and WMV HD delivery. Of course you'll need to encode properly for each, analogous to shooting DV and delivering DVD.

///d@
Sony Media Software

Barry Gribble · December 7th, 2004, 01:07 PM

Dennis asked : "How do you figure? HDV is ideal for Blu-ray, HD DVD, and WMV HD delivery."

I don't figure... I just read... did I get it wrong? The article said (answer 1, para 4):

It is not yet clear if the FX1’s i.LINK output will be able to be directly recorded to D-VHS. Sony has already acknowledged the FX1 is will not be compatible with Blu-ray DVD recorders. Sony’s Masashi Imamura stated, “I, personally, definitely want to realize the ability to record HDV on Blu-ray. We are working hard towards this but there are many copyright issues and many technical issues, but I think we can come to a resolution at some point in the near future.”

I guess they are just talking about the i.LINK, not the full HDV on the tape. I don't know enough about blu-ray or i.LINK to know one way or the other. What's your take on it?

Boyd Ostroff · December 7th, 2004, 02:10 PM

I know very little about all this too. But I think Dennis means you'd capture the FX-1 footage with your NLE, edit, then export in whatever format needed for blu-ray where the results could be burned to disk using an external drive.

Dennis Adams · December 7th, 2004, 05:35 PM

Yes, exactly, I figured you might want to EDIT your footage first.

While there is some utility to directly copying the stream from an HDV camera to DVHS, HD DVD, or Blu-ray, most folks are going to want to make something useful out of it first.

///d@

Barry Green · December 7th, 2004, 06:26 PM

Dennis, are you SonicDennis?

Can you please tell me how to make a transport stream from Vegas that will play back to the FX1? I can make transport streams, and I can get CineForm ConnectHD to recognize the stream and even trigger the camera to record, but the camera says "invalid file format" or something and won't allow recording back to the camera.

Is there a "magic recipe" for making MainConcept MPEG-2 files from Vegas that will be compatible with the HDV transport streams?

Dennis Adams · December 8th, 2004, 09:21 AM

Barry,

Yes, one and the same (also "Dithermaster" on some forums).

We're still cracking that nut. Look for HDV 1080i compliant MPEG-2 templates in the forthcoming 5.0d update.

///d@
Sony Media Software

Kevin Dooley · December 8th, 2004, 11:52 AM

What happened to 5.0c? I'm still on 5.0b and there wasn't a new update last I checked...like last week sometime...

Barry Green · December 8th, 2004, 01:18 PM

Whoa, you're dithermaster as well? Here I thought Sony/Sonic was just brimming with talented guys, and it's all been you? Cool. You deserve a raise -- you are the bomb!

Dennis Adams · December 8th, 2004, 05:11 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Dooley : What happened to 5.0c? -->>>

5.0c was an update strictly for localization (for Japan, I think).

///d@

December 6th, 2004, 07:21 PM	#1
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December 7th, 2004, 01:07 PM	#5
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Dennis asked : "How do you figure? HDV is ideal for Blu-ray, HD DVD, and WMV HD delivery." I don't figure... I just read... did I get it wrong? The article said (answer 1, para 4): It is not yet clear if the FX1’s i.LINK output will be able to be directly recorded to D-VHS. Sony has already acknowledged the FX1 is will not be compatible with Blu-ray DVD recorders. Sony’s Masashi Imamura stated, “I, personally, definitely want to realize the ability to record HDV on Blu-ray. We are working hard towards this but there are many copyright issues and many technical issues, but I think we can come to a resolution at some point in the near future.” I guess they are just talking about the i.LINK, not the full HDV on the tape. I don't know enough about blu-ray or i.LINK to know one way or the other. What's your take on it? __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB

December 7th, 2004, 09:10 AM	#4
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Gribble : Unfortunate that the FX1 will not be compatible with blu-ray...-->>> How do you figure? HDV is ideal for Blu-ray, HD DVD, and WMV HD delivery. Of course you'll need to encode properly for each, analogous to shooting DV and delivering DVD. ///d@ Sony Media Software

December 7th, 2004, 02:10 PM	#6
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,797	I know very little about all this too. But I think Dennis means you'd capture the FX-1 footage with your NLE, edit, then export in whatever format needed for blu-ray where the results could be burned to disk using an external drive.

December 7th, 2004, 05:35 PM	#7
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Yes, exactly, I figured you might want to EDIT your footage first. While there is some utility to directly copying the stream from an HDV camera to DVHS, HD DVD, or Blu-ray, most folks are going to want to make something useful out of it first. ///d@

December 7th, 2004, 06:26 PM	#8
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Dennis, are you SonicDennis? Can you please tell me how to make a transport stream from Vegas that will play back to the FX1? I can make transport streams, and I can get CineForm ConnectHD to recognize the stream and even trigger the camera to record, but the camera says "invalid file format" or something and won't allow recording back to the camera. Is there a "magic recipe" for making MainConcept MPEG-2 files from Vegas that will be compatible with the HDV transport streams?

December 8th, 2004, 09:21 AM	#9
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Barry, Yes, one and the same (also "Dithermaster" on some forums). We're still cracking that nut. Look for HDV 1080i compliant MPEG-2 templates in the forthcoming 5.0d update. ///d@ Sony Media Software

December 8th, 2004, 11:52 AM	#10
Kevin Dooley Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 414	What happened to 5.0c? I'm still on 5.0b and there wasn't a new update last I checked...like last week sometime...

December 8th, 2004, 01:18 PM	#11
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Whoa, you're dithermaster as well? Here I thought Sony/Sonic was just brimming with talented guys, and it's all been you? Cool. You deserve a raise -- you are the bomb!

December 8th, 2004, 05:11 PM	#12
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Dooley : What happened to 5.0c? -->>> 5.0c was an update strictly for localization (for Japan, I think). ///d@