Not final: detailed comparison chart at DVinfo.net

JE Bilodeau · November 5th, 2004, 03:24 PM

Hi everyone,
I'm new to this forum. I found, today, a pdf document in a japanese
forum. It list a great number of differences between HDR-FX1 and HVR-Z1 and
this give me to think that even if there is no 24P mode,the difference in price
is quite justify. But the document also point that there is second Cineframe mode in the Pro model that is not available in the consumer model. Has said in other threads of this forum, it maybe a new kind of simulated 24P.

Here's the link for the PDF: http://videoacademy.com/file/camera/...HDV-HVR-Z1.pdf

J-E Bilodeau

Chris Hurd · November 5th, 2004, 07:20 PM

Awesome! This is a 46 page document, chock full of info. Thanks for the link -- much appreciated,

Darren Kelly · November 5th, 2004, 08:10 PM

My Sony dealer saw this and said....."That's a Sony Document alright"

I would think this is accurate.

Cheers

DBK

Mark Kubat · November 5th, 2004, 08:50 PM

At last, the 46 or so differences revealed in the last few pages of this interesting document - well, so there will be 2 types of cineframe 24 and two types of cineframe 30 - but not much other info...

the other differences seem sorta, well, dare I say.... some are trivial.

Looks like PAL FX1E for me - best bang for my filmmaking buck...

Kurth Bousman · November 5th, 2004, 10:31 PM

Why does it say the z1 has 480p component output ? Does that mean what it says ?

JE Bilodeau · November 6th, 2004, 11:13 AM

I guess that Sony will offer true progressive scan on the pro model but only in DV 480P in order to compete with with Canon XL2 and Pana DVX100A. I also guess that they will wait a couple of year before releasing a 720 24P upgrade on the Z1 camera. Maybe they wait to see what their competitor (Canon + Pana)will do in this field. I dont expect Canon going with a XL3 very soon... Has Sony repeatedly saying: this is a work on progress...

J-E Bilodeau

Mark Grgurev · November 6th, 2004, 11:54 AM

I think that when they said there are 2 24 frame modes, they meant 1 for Pal mode and 1 for NTSC mode. Basicly, different pulldowns.

Mark Kubat · November 8th, 2004, 08:47 PM

cam is 60i/50i switchable, so 2 Cf modes will be 24/25 and 30/25 or whatever - gosh, I'm confused. well, I'm sure this is more the idea and 2 modes isn't cineframe vs. true 24p/progressive as we might be hoping...

November 5th, 2004, 03:24 PM	#1
JE Bilodeau Tourist Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Not final: detailed comparison chart Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum. I found, today, a pdf document in a japanese forum. It list a great number of differences between HDR-FX1 and HVR-Z1 and this give me to think that even if there is no 24P mode,the difference in price is quite justify. But the document also point that there is second Cineframe mode in the Pro model that is not available in the consumer model. Has said in other threads of this forum, it maybe a new kind of simulated 24P. Here's the link for the PDF: http://videoacademy.com/file/camera/...HDV-HVR-Z1.pdf J-E Bilodeau

November 5th, 2004, 07:20 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Awesome! This is a 46 page document, chock full of info. Thanks for the link -- much appreciated, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 5th, 2004, 08:10 PM	#3
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	My Sony dealer saw this and said....."That's a Sony Document alright" I would think this is accurate. Cheers DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

November 5th, 2004, 08:50 PM	#4
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	aha, the 46 differences revealed at last! At last, the 46 or so differences revealed in the last few pages of this interesting document - well, so there will be 2 types of cineframe 24 and two types of cineframe 30 - but not much other info... the other differences seem sorta, well, dare I say.... some are trivial. Looks like PAL FX1E for me - best bang for my filmmaking buck...

November 5th, 2004, 10:31 PM	#5
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	page 40 ? Why does it say the z1 has 480p component output ? Does that mean what it says ?

November 6th, 2004, 11:13 AM	#6
JE Bilodeau Tourist Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	480P output I guess that Sony will offer true progressive scan on the pro model but only in DV 480P in order to compete with with Canon XL2 and Pana DVX100A. I also guess that they will wait a couple of year before releasing a 720 24P upgrade on the Z1 camera. Maybe they wait to see what their competitor (Canon + Pana)will do in this field. I dont expect Canon going with a XL3 very soon... Has Sony repeatedly saying: this is a work on progress... J-E Bilodeau

November 6th, 2004, 11:54 AM	#7
Mark Grgurev Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fairview,nj Posts: 137	I think that when they said there are 2 24 frame modes, they meant 1 for Pal mode and 1 for NTSC mode. Basicly, different pulldowns.

November 8th, 2004, 08:47 PM	#8
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	I agree - this makes sense cam is 60i/50i switchable, so 2 Cf modes will be 24/25 and 30/25 or whatever - gosh, I'm confused. well, I'm sure this is more the idea and 2 modes isn't cineframe vs. true 24p/progressive as we might be hoping...