New Info about the Pro Version!

Anhar Miah · October 21st, 2004, 07:29 AM

I dont see why 24P seems so unreasonable, i mean look at it from Sony's eyes:

at the end of the day its a ~1/3" progressive scan camera (big deal so is DVX and XL2).

here hoping i'm right :)

Mark Kubat · October 21st, 2004, 08:47 AM

Were you guys able to compare notes? Also, pre-production models of FX1 are now circulating around US for journalist types to preview - will you guys be getting one to evaluate soon?

Did DSE remember anything about "true 24p?"

Joel Guy · October 21st, 2004, 08:52 AM

This was posted on dvxuser.com, but I thought I'd post it here since it is relevant to this discussion:

"Like I said in my other post. I used a demo of the pro version of the Sony's HDV camera "Z1" or "PD190" (or whatever unofficial name you choose) last week. It does not have a true 24p function per se, BUT it does have a feature that is called "filmlook", a simulated 3:2 pulldown effect, that in 1080i looks every bit as "filmic" as the DVX's 24p feature.

The picture quality is quite impressive even when played back on a large HD screen. It is not indicative of the compression that this format has. Loads of detail in the blacks and a significantly greater dynamic grey scale range than the DVX. While its not in the same ballpark as a Varicam or Sony's HDCam, it comes long way from standard DV. The lens seems much sharper than the PD 170. Oh yes, it HAS a switchable recording function. This camera records in SD DV format too, as well as HDV. The switch is located right next to the record thumbswitch

They have added the XLR connectors to the pro version in approximately the same place as the DVX has them. The manual iris wheel is much improved. The 16:9 LCD screen is quite good. The overall metal construction of this camera seems like it will be much more durable than the DVX. Much less of a "plastic" feel.

I know some people here that probably haven't even touched this camera yet will strongly disagree, but overall, if it were available now, I would have bought this pro version of the FX1 vs the DVX100A. These are just MY subjective impressions after having actually shot with the camera. "

Michael Wisniewski · October 24th, 2004, 08:00 PM

Wouldn't larger CCDs make sense if Sony wanted to add 24p/30p and keep the same low light performance?

Mike Tiffee · October 27th, 2004, 12:16 PM

OK.. how does 1080p/24 fit in to the HDV specs?

Gabriele Turchi · October 27th, 2004, 01:07 PM

The Pro Version will have "720p (25/30p)" and not "1080i 24p"I read thet in a profession Magazine here in Italy,
the font of that article is a Sony Member.

Best regards

Gabriele

Mark Kubat · October 27th, 2004, 01:22 PM

720p is a big departure from Sony's HDV stance up until now, no? Gabriele, can you tell us what else the magazine says about the cam? Does it read like some sort of official preview type thing or more like a speculative, could-be-like-this-kind-of-camera type of article?

Screw copyright - I live in Canada and our Supreme Court got it right with the Music Download issue - we should host a scan of said article here and give credit where it's due - this is a matter of International Security and Human-kind Well-Being.

(Folks, I am trying to be funny with above paragraph - please do not take seriously - please take with grain of salt, read it sitting down etc.)

Okay, Gabriele, can you just re-read the article and tell us your interpretation of the WHOLE THING?

Er, can you translate article into English and read out loud and save into your computer as an mp3?

Mike Tiffee · October 28th, 2004, 06:11 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Gabriele Turchi : The Pro Version will have "720p (25/30p)" and not "1080i 24p"I read thet in a profession Magazine here in Italy,
the font of that article is a Sony Member.

Best regards

Gabriele -->>>

So this "PRO version" is going to have 1080i 60/25 AND 720p 60/25 ?? AND "inside" sources say true 24P ?? Dream on.

Chris Hurd · October 28th, 2004, 07:00 AM

Well, yes, it will most likely have Cineframe 24. Beyond that, we'll find out when it's released.

Steve Crisdale · October 28th, 2004, 07:36 AM

<<<-- So this "PRO version" is going to have 1080i 60/25 AND 720p 60/25 ?? AND "inside" sources say true 24P ?? Dream on. -->>>

More like 1080i 60/50......

Peter Moore · October 28th, 2004, 09:58 AM

This is why Canon shuts up about products until they're ready to be released - at least then you know all rumors are BS.

Gabriele Turchi · October 28th, 2004, 10:26 AM

This article is a Test about FX1,and it say:

..............this FX1 can shot in 1080i 50fps mode only...........the sony member as sayed that the Pro Model will have a switchable 50i/60i 1080 mode and 720p 25/30/50/60 mode!

There is a confermation about in that brochure:

http://www.sonybiz.net/cgi-bin/bvisapi.dll/includes/popupURL.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0368592844.1098980540@@@@&BV_EngineID=cadclkdffkggbemgcfkmcfjfdhl.0&su rl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sonybiz.net%2fimages%2feditorial%2fE%2fHDV_CAMCORDER0904E.pdf

you can see that in the picture there are all of kind of specif of HDV and that brochure is not a general brochure......... but display the features of the Pro model...........

Best regards

Gabriele

Mike Tiffee · October 28th, 2004, 10:39 AM

The brochure simply lists the various specifications of the HDV format. It clearly states at the top right "1080i HDV" and under the features list of the camcorder "1/3" 1080i HD 3CCDs (16:9)"

Nowhere does it state the camera is switchable between the formats. It could be possible the VTR listed or maybe the camcorder can playback those formats. But clearly the camcorder records 1080i.

Simon Wyndham · October 28th, 2004, 10:44 AM

Exactly. Sony's cheapest HDCAM camera is interlace only too. So I don't know why people think that the new pro version of the FX1 would be progressive.

Barry Green · October 28th, 2004, 11:02 AM

I don't think there's been any credible confirmation about any of the progressive-scan speculation.

If people are getting the idea the pro version will be progressive-scan from this brochure, I think that's a very mistaken assumption. The brochure is talking about the entire HDV format, and the deck advertised in the brochure will be able to play back all of those formats. But that doesn't mean the camera will be able to shoot 720p or any type of progressive scan.

October 21st, 2004, 08:47 AM	#32
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Chris Hurd, how was dinner with DSE... Were you guys able to compare notes? Also, pre-production models of FX1 are now circulating around US for journalist types to preview - will you guys be getting one to evaluate soon? Did DSE remember anything about "true 24p?"

October 27th, 2004, 01:22 PM	#37
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	what? 720p? I think we'll need a scan of that article! 720p is a big departure from Sony's HDV stance up until now, no? Gabriele, can you tell us what else the magazine says about the cam? Does it read like some sort of official preview type thing or more like a speculative, could-be-like-this-kind-of-camera type of article? Screw copyright - I live in Canada and our Supreme Court got it right with the Music Download issue - we should host a scan of said article here and give credit where it's due - this is a matter of International Security and Human-kind Well-Being. (Folks, I am trying to be funny with above paragraph - please do not take seriously - please take with grain of salt, read it sitting down etc.) Okay, Gabriele, can you just re-read the article and tell us your interpretation of the WHOLE THING? Er, can you translate article into English and read out loud and save into your computer as an mp3?

October 28th, 2004, 07:00 AM	#39
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Well, yes, it will most likely have Cineframe 24. Beyond that, we'll find out when it's released. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 21st, 2004, 07:29 AM	#31
Anhar Miah Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kindom, England Posts: 290	I dont see why 24P seems so unreasonable, i mean look at it from Sony's eyes: at the end of the day its a ~1/3" progressive scan camera (big deal so is DVX and XL2). here hoping i'm right :)

October 21st, 2004, 08:52 AM	#33
Joel Guy Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 151	This was posted on dvxuser.com, but I thought I'd post it here since it is relevant to this discussion: "Like I said in my other post. I used a demo of the pro version of the Sony's HDV camera "Z1" or "PD190" (or whatever unofficial name you choose) last week. It does not have a true 24p function per se, BUT it does have a feature that is called "filmlook", a simulated 3:2 pulldown effect, that in 1080i looks every bit as "filmic" as the DVX's 24p feature. The picture quality is quite impressive even when played back on a large HD screen. It is not indicative of the compression that this format has. Loads of detail in the blacks and a significantly greater dynamic grey scale range than the DVX. While its not in the same ballpark as a Varicam or Sony's HDCam, it comes long way from standard DV. The lens seems much sharper than the PD 170. Oh yes, it HAS a switchable recording function. This camera records in SD DV format too, as well as HDV. The switch is located right next to the record thumbswitch They have added the XLR connectors to the pro version in approximately the same place as the DVX has them. The manual iris wheel is much improved. The 16:9 LCD screen is quite good. The overall metal construction of this camera seems like it will be much more durable than the DVX. Much less of a "plastic" feel. I know some people here that probably haven't even touched this camera yet will strongly disagree, but overall, if it were available now, I would have bought this pro version of the FX1 vs the DVX100A. These are just MY subjective impressions after having actually shot with the camera. "

October 24th, 2004, 08:00 PM	#34
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Wouldn't larger CCDs make sense if Sony wanted to add 24p/30p and keep the same low light performance?

October 27th, 2004, 12:16 PM	#35
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	OK.. how does 1080p/24 fit in to the HDV specs?

October 27th, 2004, 01:07 PM	#36
Gabriele Turchi Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 56	The Pro Version will have "720p (25/30p)" and not "1080i 24p"I read thet in a profession Magazine here in Italy, the font of that article is a Sony Member. Best regards Gabriele

October 28th, 2004, 06:11 AM	#38
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	<<<-- Originally posted by Gabriele Turchi : The Pro Version will have "720p (25/30p)" and not "1080i 24p"I read thet in a profession Magazine here in Italy, the font of that article is a Sony Member. Best regards Gabriele -->>> So this "PRO version" is going to have 1080i 60/25 AND 720p 60/25 ?? AND "inside" sources say true 24P ?? Dream on.

October 28th, 2004, 07:36 AM	#40
Steve Crisdale Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katoomba NSW Australia Posts: 635	<<<-- So this "PRO version" is going to have 1080i 60/25 AND 720p 60/25 ?? AND "inside" sources say true 24P ?? Dream on. -->>> More like 1080i 60/50......

October 28th, 2004, 09:58 AM	#41
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	This is why Canon shuts up about products until they're ready to be released - at least then you know all rumors are BS.

October 28th, 2004, 10:26 AM	#42
Gabriele Turchi Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 56	This article is a Test about FX1,and it say: ..............this FX1 can shot in 1080i 50fps mode only...........the sony member as sayed that the Pro Model will have a switchable 50i/60i 1080 mode and 720p 25/30/50/60 mode! There is a confermation about in that brochure: http://www.sonybiz.net/cgi-bin/bvisapi.dll/includes/popupURL.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0368592844.1098980540@@@@&BV_EngineID=cadclkdffkggbemgcfkmcfjfdhl.0&su rl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sonybiz.net%2fimages%2feditorial%2fE%2fHDV_CAMCORDER0904E.pdf you can see that in the picture there are all of kind of specif of HDV and that brochure is not a general brochure......... but display the features of the Pro model........... Best regards Gabriele

October 28th, 2004, 10:39 AM	#43
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	The brochure simply lists the various specifications of the HDV format. It clearly states at the top right "1080i HDV" and under the features list of the camcorder "1/3" 1080i HD 3CCDs (16:9)" Nowhere does it state the camera is switchable between the formats. It could be possible the VTR listed or maybe the camcorder can playback those formats. But clearly the camcorder records 1080i.

October 28th, 2004, 10:44 AM	#44
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Exactly. Sony's cheapest HDCAM camera is interlace only too. So I don't know why people think that the new pro version of the FX1 would be progressive.

October 28th, 2004, 11:02 AM	#45
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	I don't think there's been any credible confirmation about any of the progressive-scan speculation. If people are getting the idea the pro version will be progressive-scan from this brochure, I think that's a very mistaken assumption. The brochure is talking about the entire HDV format, and the deck advertised in the brochure will be able to play back all of those formats. But that doesn't mean the camera will be able to shoot 720p or any type of progressive scan.