FX1- Pro version at DVinfo.net

Nick Hiltgen · October 17th, 2004, 12:30 PM

Hi forgive me as I'm coming late into the game on this. I was at my local Sony authorized reseller and they told me there was both a proversion of the FX1 and a consumer version. He said the details are pretty vague about the pro version the only thing he was sure about was that it was going to cost around 6k and that it would have 24p capabilities. I've searched around and I can't seem to find much more info. So 1) could someone explain to me what else it might have (I've read one post so far but it seemed to get off topic and move into some other direction, and 2) explain to me how a 1080i camera can ever do progressive (without having it applied in post).

nick

Barry Green · October 17th, 2004, 02:05 PM

The pro version will not have 24P capability. It'll be PAL/NTSC switchable, as well as 1080/50i and 1080/60i switchable. It'll also have XLR inputs and separate audio level controls for each channel, and a few other things.

A 1080i camera can do progressive in the same way the DVX and XL2 do it: scan at 1080/24P and then write to tape using 2:3 or 2:3:3:2 pulldown. JVC has announced plans to develop a 2/3" interchangeable-lens shoulder-mount camera that will do exactly that, at a targeted price point of $20,000.

The Sony doesn't shoot any type of progressive. It does have an in-camera "filmlook" type of mode called "CineFrame 24" and "CineFrame 30" that try to emulate the look of 24P and 30P.

Ozzy Alvarez · October 22nd, 2004, 11:08 PM

Doesn't Sony's Cine Alta F900, which Lucas used to shoot Episode II, shoot in both 1080i and 24p??? If so, then shooting in 1080i/24p isn't so far fetched.

Ozzy

Barry Green · October 23rd, 2004, 11:39 AM

1080 can be shot and broadcast at 24P. 1080/24P is part of the ATSC HDTV spec.

The thing is, 1080/24P is *not* part of the HDV recording specification. So there is an issue. 1080/24P cannot be recorded on HDV tape, as pure 1080/24P.

There is a way around it, which is the same way that Panasonic and Canon are putting 480/24P on DV videotape. Technically in DV you can't get 24P either, but Panasonic figured out a way to do it.

And JVC has already announced that they will employ the same technique to deliver 1080/24P on HDV tape.

But the camera has to be designed with progressive-scan CCD's in order to do it. It remains to be seen whether the Z1 has true progressive-scan CCD's.

October 17th, 2004, 12:30 PM	#1
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	FX1- Pro version Hi forgive me as I'm coming late into the game on this. I was at my local Sony authorized reseller and they told me there was both a proversion of the FX1 and a consumer version. He said the details are pretty vague about the pro version the only thing he was sure about was that it was going to cost around 6k and that it would have 24p capabilities. I've searched around and I can't seem to find much more info. So 1) could someone explain to me what else it might have (I've read one post so far but it seemed to get off topic and move into some other direction, and 2) explain to me how a 1080i camera can ever do progressive (without having it applied in post). nick

October 17th, 2004, 02:05 PM	#2
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	The pro version will not have 24P capability. It'll be PAL/NTSC switchable, as well as 1080/50i and 1080/60i switchable. It'll also have XLR inputs and separate audio level controls for each channel, and a few other things. A 1080i camera can do progressive in the same way the DVX and XL2 do it: scan at 1080/24P and then write to tape using 2:3 or 2:3:3:2 pulldown. JVC has announced plans to develop a 2/3" interchangeable-lens shoulder-mount camera that will do exactly that, at a targeted price point of $20,000. The Sony doesn't shoot any type of progressive. It does have an in-camera "filmlook" type of mode called "CineFrame 24" and "CineFrame 30" that try to emulate the look of 24P and 30P.

October 22nd, 2004, 11:08 PM	#3
Ozzy Alvarez Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kenilworth, NJ Posts: 85	Doesn't Sony's Cine Alta F900, which Lucas used to shoot Episode II, shoot in both 1080i and 24p??? If so, then shooting in 1080i/24p isn't so far fetched. Ozzy

October 23rd, 2004, 11:39 AM	#4
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	1080 can be shot and broadcast at 24P. 1080/24P is part of the ATSC HDTV spec. The thing is, 1080/24P is not part of the HDV recording specification. So there is an issue. 1080/24P cannot be recorded on HDV tape, as pure 1080/24P. There is a way around it, which is the same way that Panasonic and Canon are putting 480/24P on DV videotape. Technically in DV you can't get 24P either, but Panasonic figured out a way to do it. And JVC has already announced that they will employ the same technique to deliver 1080/24P on HDV tape. But the camera has to be designed with progressive-scan CCD's in order to do it. It remains to be seen whether the Z1 has true progressive-scan CCD's.