Pro version to have 46 differences from Consumer

Christopher C. Murphy · October 8th, 2004, 08:56 AM

Heath, I just read somewhere that it's only 1 unit...it'll switch PAL/NTSC. If that's the case then we're getting 25p on the camera regardless if we wanted it or not. Is this confirmable? (is confirmable a word?)

EDIT UPDATE: Ok, now I just read that the "Pro" version is the one that'll have switchable PAL/NTSC. I guess we should cease that topic until we have total "confirmable" news!

Murph

Heath McKnight · October 8th, 2004, 09:02 AM

Good call, Murph. By the way, it's confirmation.

heath

Frederic Lumiere · October 8th, 2004, 09:05 AM

Heath,

Will DV Filmmaker work in HD resolutions?

Frederic

Heath McKnight · October 8th, 2004, 09:17 AM

Good question. I believe they've updated it, but I'll ask Marcus v. B.

heath

Christopher C. Murphy · October 8th, 2004, 10:57 AM

Oh yeah, confirmation is right. But, confirmable should be a word. :)

Murph

Barry Green · October 8th, 2004, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy : Heath, I just read somewhere that it's only 1 unit...it'll switch PAL/NTSC. If that's the case then we're getting 25p on the camera regardless if we wanted it or not. Is this confirmable? (is confirmable a word?)

There won't be any 25P. The camera doesn't shoot any type of progressive scan. There will be the CineFrame option, which is their 24p and 30p simulator, but there won't be any 25P.

Frederic Lumiere · October 8th, 2004, 12:00 PM

Barry,

You are correct. It is 50i & 60i.

Frederic

Carlos E. Martinez · October 8th, 2004, 01:28 PM

According to one video to film transfer lab I talked with, the FX1 50i type can be used for film projects, as they shoot the video at 25 frames. There's no interpolation as on NTSC to 24 frames transfers.

Apparently it may not be that easy to go from HDV 60i to 24 frames, because artifacts may be more visible than in SD video.

Carlos

Heath McKnight · October 8th, 2004, 01:37 PM

thought PAL is easier to go to 24p, 1080i60 can also be transferred to 24p, then, if one wishes, to 35mm.

heath

Carlos E. Martinez · October 8th, 2004, 01:49 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : thought PAL is easier to go to 24p, 1080i60 can also be transferred to 24p, then, if one wishes, to 35mm.
-->>>

Apparently not, according to the lab. At least for now.

Carlos

Heath McKnight · October 8th, 2004, 02:02 PM

Go to DVFilm for more on transferring to 24p and 35mm.

heath

Donal Briard · October 9th, 2004, 12:10 AM

I kept arguing on another site about this EXACT same subject (and about DVfilm too)!

I worked a few years in a post facility where we do film out for video. The site you mention keeps telling people that they can transfer both 60i and 50i as easily because they want your $$$. In reality, YES, ANYTHING is transferable. Heck, bring me 30p JVC, I'll chop 6 frames out every seconds and there you go! But that is totally unusable.

About 60i to film out (no matter what the resolution):

We take the (usually NTSC) footage, convert it to (PAL) 25p by removing the interlace and rebuilding 25 full frames out of 60 fields. This means stuttering motion is pans, loss of resolution. UGLY. If you worked with DV, it's even worst as you are upsampled to 576lines from 480 too. The PAL or 25p HDV master is then slowed down 4% and shot at 24p onto film stock.

50i: slowed by 4% and that's it, although I would recommend using field blending on all projects to get good clean frames for film out. If you shot DV, you get 25% more resolution too!

Masters at 30fps look like TV sitcoms shot on Video, Masters at 25fps are already somewhat film-like in quality. Imagine taking an episode of Oprah and converting it to 24p for a film out. How can you even BEGIN to imagine that would look even remotely professional???

The fact is: if you have the tens of thousands of dollars necessary for a film print, or if you are thinking of selling your project to a distributor for a film release, it is completely IRRESPONSIBLE of you NOT to get a PAL/Zone 50 camera when they are readily available, just as it is irresponsible for DVfilm not to educate people about it (that is the FIRST thing we did with every one that inquired about video to film services).

Gabriele Turchi · October 9th, 2004, 10:13 AM

X Frederic Haubrich

It's posiible for you post a 1080i.Ts 25fps clip?

PLEASE!

Best regards

Gabriele

Frederic Lumiere · October 9th, 2004, 02:17 PM

Gabriele,

I just asked my contact if it would be OK to share some of the footage with this forum and he asked me not to.

The footage is of a nice young lady who was kind enough to pose for a test and she hasn't agreed to have her face all over the internet.

He did say that he will try to shoot something else or someone else and let me share that footage with this forum.

If any of you live in Doylestown PA, you are more than welcome to come over and take a look.

Frederic

Gabriele Turchi · October 9th, 2004, 05:09 PM

Thanks Frederic

I have appreciated your attempt,
I hope you will can post some others clip!!!

Thank you very much for your invitations,
you are very very kind but i live in Florence (Italy)!!!!

PS:that lady has lost the possibility to become famous!!!!!

Best regards

Gabriele

October 8th, 2004, 08:56 AM	#31
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Heath, I just read somewhere that it's only 1 unit...it'll switch PAL/NTSC. If that's the case then we're getting 25p on the camera regardless if we wanted it or not. Is this confirmable? (is confirmable a word?) EDIT UPDATE: Ok, now I just read that the "Pro" version is the one that'll have switchable PAL/NTSC. I guess we should cease that topic until we have total "confirmable" news! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

October 8th, 2004, 09:02 AM	#32
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Good call, Murph. By the way, it's confirmation. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 8th, 2004, 09:17 AM	#34
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Good question. I believe they've updated it, but I'll ask Marcus v. B. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 8th, 2004, 10:57 AM	#35
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Oh yeah, confirmation is right. But, confirmable should be a word. :) Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

October 8th, 2004, 01:37 PM	#39
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	thought PAL is easier to go to 24p, 1080i60 can also be transferred to 24p, then, if one wishes, to 35mm. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 8th, 2004, 09:05 AM	#33
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Heath, Will DV Filmmaker work in HD resolutions? Frederic

October 8th, 2004, 12:00 PM	#37
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Barry, You are correct. It is 50i & 60i. Frederic

October 8th, 2004, 01:28 PM	#38
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	According to one video to film transfer lab I talked with, the FX1 50i type can be used for film projects, as they shoot the video at 25 frames. There's no interpolation as on NTSC to 24 frames transfers. Apparently it may not be that easy to go from HDV 60i to 24 frames, because artifacts may be more visible than in SD video. Carlos

October 8th, 2004, 01:49 PM	#40
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : thought PAL is easier to go to 24p, 1080i60 can also be transferred to 24p, then, if one wishes, to 35mm. -->>> Apparently not, according to the lab. At least for now. Carlos

October 8th, 2004, 02:02 PM	#41
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Go to DVFilm for more on transferring to 24p and 35mm. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 9th, 2004, 12:10 AM	#42
Donal Briard Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 43	I kept arguing on another site about this EXACT same subject (and about DVfilm too)! I worked a few years in a post facility where we do film out for video. The site you mention keeps telling people that they can transfer both 60i and 50i as easily because they want your $$$. In reality, YES, ANYTHING is transferable. Heck, bring me 30p JVC, I'll chop 6 frames out every seconds and there you go! But that is totally unusable. About 60i to film out (no matter what the resolution): We take the (usually NTSC) footage, convert it to (PAL) 25p by removing the interlace and rebuilding 25 full frames out of 60 fields. This means stuttering motion is pans, loss of resolution. UGLY. If you worked with DV, it's even worst as you are upsampled to 576lines from 480 too. The PAL or 25p HDV master is then slowed down 4% and shot at 24p onto film stock. 50i: slowed by 4% and that's it, although I would recommend using field blending on all projects to get good clean frames for film out. If you shot DV, you get 25% more resolution too! Masters at 30fps look like TV sitcoms shot on Video, Masters at 25fps are already somewhat film-like in quality. Imagine taking an episode of Oprah and converting it to 24p for a film out. How can you even BEGIN to imagine that would look even remotely professional??? The fact is: if you have the tens of thousands of dollars necessary for a film print, or if you are thinking of selling your project to a distributor for a film release, it is completely IRRESPONSIBLE of you NOT to get a PAL/Zone 50 camera when they are readily available, just as it is irresponsible for DVfilm not to educate people about it (that is the FIRST thing we did with every one that inquired about video to film services).

October 9th, 2004, 10:13 AM	#43
Gabriele Turchi Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 56	X Frederic Haubrich It's posiible for you post a 1080i.Ts 25fps clip? PLEASE! Best regards Gabriele

October 9th, 2004, 02:17 PM	#44
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Gabriele, I just asked my contact if it would be OK to share some of the footage with this forum and he asked me not to. The footage is of a nice young lady who was kind enough to pose for a test and she hasn't agreed to have her face all over the internet. He did say that he will try to shoot something else or someone else and let me share that footage with this forum. If any of you live in Doylestown PA, you are more than welcome to come over and take a look. Frederic

October 9th, 2004, 05:09 PM	#45
Gabriele Turchi Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 56	Thanks Frederic I have appreciated your attempt, I hope you will can post some others clip!!! Thank you very much for your invitations, you are very very kind but i live in Florence (Italy)!!!! PS:that lady has lost the possibility to become famous!!!!! Best regards Gabriele