Record to JVC 30000U DVHS from FX1? at DVinfo.net

Aldo Erdic · September 14th, 2004, 09:53 AM

I have a refurbished JVC 30000U and will definitely be buying the Sony FX1. I know the 30000U can handle 1080i, 720P, 480P and 480i and in the "HS" mode the bit rate is 28 Mbps, but does anybody out there forsee any problems transferring footage from the FX1 to the 30000U via the firewire?

Thanks,
Aldo.

Troy Lamont · September 15th, 2004, 09:21 AM

Aldo,

I would go out on a limb and bet that the FX1 will work with any D-VHS deck including those by JVC.

I'm sure the HDV standard included the firewire connections on the cameras and so far the JVC has been 100% on the D-VHS side from information I've read.

On a side note that I pointed out with the HD1, they also will connect to firewire (I.link) capable HDTVs especially those by Sony.

Troy

Heath McKnight · September 15th, 2004, 09:40 AM

Yes, the JVC DVHS (30k and 40k models) can handle both 720p and 1080i.

heath

Chris Szypulski · September 16th, 2004, 02:09 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Troy Lamont : Aldo,

I would go out on a limb and bet that the FX1 will work with any D-VHS deck including those by JVC.

I'm sure the HDV standard included the firewire connections on the cameras and so far the JVC has been 100% on the D-VHS side from information I've read.

On a side note that I pointed out with the HD1, they also will connect to firewire (I.link) capable HDTVs especially those by Sony.

Troy -->>>

It will only work if HDV format uses the same type ot transport stream as DVHS. Having firewire means nothing if recording format is different.

Heath McKnight · September 16th, 2004, 09:52 PM

Chris,

That is not true at all. I have dubbed many things from HDV to D-VHS with no problems, via firewire or component video, including uprezzing to 1080i.

heath

Troy Lamont · September 17th, 2004, 03:13 PM

Quote:

It will only work if HDV format uses the same type ot transport stream as DVHS. Having firewire means nothing if recording format is different.

They do use the same protocol. That's one of the main selling points of JVC HD Universe. HD10->30K and vice versa.

Troy

Heath McKnight · September 17th, 2004, 04:12 PM

I believe the DVHS is the same mpeg2-ts as HDV, hence the ease of use.

heath

Mike Gannon · September 17th, 2004, 06:33 PM

I read somewhere else that they do not share the same transport stream and this may prohibit the use of a DVHS out, at least direct from the camera.

720p uses TS or "transport stream." 1080i uses PES, or "packetized elementary stream." I have absolutely no idea what that means other than the author maintained that the DVHS is not compatable with this type of encoding.

Since I am in the process of putting together a DV, wait, scratch that, HDV edit solution and am leaning toward Avid at the moment, Avid contends that they have developed thier own HD codec that will decode any inbound HD format and output to anything you desire. I would assume that would include DVHS as I would also assume all the other NLEs will be doing much the same thing.

Heath McKnight · September 17th, 2004, 09:07 PM

One thing I did think of with the FX1 (1080i)--HDV2 (the HD10/HD1, 720p, is HDV1)--may NOT be compatible with DVHS, but I doubt it.

heath

Troy Lamont · September 20th, 2004, 11:51 AM

The FX1 conforms to the HDV standard and therefore it will be compatible with D-VHS in either 720p or 1080i.

Troy

Phil Wright · September 20th, 2004, 05:42 PM

You may want to be careful about making such absolute statements unless you have a camera and DVHS deck to test that against.

Troy Lamont · September 20th, 2004, 06:31 PM

Quote:

You may want to be careful about making such absolute statements unless you have a camera and DVHS deck to test that against.

I'd bet my HD1 on it! Any takers? :)

Troy

Heath McKnight · September 20th, 2004, 09:29 PM

Other than the 1080i60 feature, I'm almost positive it will be compatible with DVHS. Same transport stream as HDV. But we won't know 100% until the camera comes out, of course.

heath

Troy Lamont · September 27th, 2004, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Which means the FX1’s i.LINK output cannot be recorded to D-VHS. Moreover, Sony has already acknowledged the FX1 is will not be compatible with Blu-ray DVD recorders. Sony’s Masashi Imamura stated, “I, personally, definitely want to realize the ability to record HDV on Blu-ray. We are working hard towards this but there are many copyright issues and many technical issues, but I think we can come to a resolution at some point in the near future.”

I guess the HDV standard isn't really all that much of a standard afterall!?

Personally I think Sony really, really dropped the ball on this one! I mean no Blu-Ray either!!!!!!

I won't be getting into the FX1 until I can at least record it Blu Ray, by that time I'm sure another model or two might be introduced. As a part of my future forward thinking it was good to know that because of the TS nature of the HD1 I could at least record to Blu-Ray disk (or possibly HD-DVD) in the short term future. No dice with the FX1.

This also means it can't connect via I.Link to their HDTV sets for direct digital viewing. Talk about rushing the job! Tsk Tsk

Horrible move Sony!

Troy

Info courtesy of Steve Mullen via his FX1 pre-review

Christopher C. Murphy · September 28th, 2004, 05:20 AM

Hey Heath, over at Mullen's site he says the FX1 can't be recorded to the D-VHS deck.

"....FX1’s i.LINK output cannot be recorded to D-VHS."

Take a look:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dvcnyc/Sony%20HDR-FX1.htm

Murph

September 14th, 2004, 09:53 AM	#1
Aldo Erdic Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 34	Record to JVC 30000U DVHS from FX1? I have a refurbished JVC 30000U and will definitely be buying the Sony FX1. I know the 30000U can handle 1080i, 720P, 480P and 480i and in the "HS" mode the bit rate is 28 Mbps, but does anybody out there forsee any problems transferring footage from the FX1 to the 30000U via the firewire? Thanks, Aldo.

September 15th, 2004, 09:40 AM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Yes, the JVC DVHS (30k and 40k models) can handle both 720p and 1080i. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 16th, 2004, 09:52 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Chris, That is not true at all. I have dubbed many things from HDV to D-VHS with no problems, via firewire or component video, including uprezzing to 1080i. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 17th, 2004, 04:12 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I believe the DVHS is the same mpeg2-ts as HDV, hence the ease of use. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 17th, 2004, 09:07 PM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	One thing I did think of with the FX1 (1080i)--HDV2 (the HD10/HD1, 720p, is HDV1)--may NOT be compatible with DVHS, but I doubt it. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 15th, 2004, 09:21 AM	#2
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	Aldo, I would go out on a limb and bet that the FX1 will work with any D-VHS deck including those by JVC. I'm sure the HDV standard included the firewire connections on the cameras and so far the JVC has been 100% on the D-VHS side from information I've read. On a side note that I pointed out with the HD1, they also will connect to firewire (I.link) capable HDTVs especially those by Sony. Troy

September 16th, 2004, 02:09 PM	#4
Chris Szypulski New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8	<<<-- Originally posted by Troy Lamont : Aldo, I would go out on a limb and bet that the FX1 will work with any D-VHS deck including those by JVC. I'm sure the HDV standard included the firewire connections on the cameras and so far the JVC has been 100% on the D-VHS side from information I've read. On a side note that I pointed out with the HD1, they also will connect to firewire (I.link) capable HDTVs especially those by Sony. Troy -->>> It will only work if HDV format uses the same type ot transport stream as DVHS. Having firewire means nothing if recording format is different.

September 17th, 2004, 06:33 PM	#8
Mike Gannon Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 48	I read somewhere else that they do not share the same transport stream and this may prohibit the use of a DVHS out, at least direct from the camera. 720p uses TS or "transport stream." 1080i uses PES, or "packetized elementary stream." I have absolutely no idea what that means other than the author maintained that the DVHS is not compatable with this type of encoding. Since I am in the process of putting together a DV, wait, scratch that, HDV edit solution and am leaning toward Avid at the moment, Avid contends that they have developed thier own HD codec that will decode any inbound HD format and output to anything you desire. I would assume that would include DVHS as I would also assume all the other NLEs will be doing much the same thing.

September 20th, 2004, 11:51 AM	#10
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	The FX1 conforms to the HDV standard and therefore it will be compatible with D-VHS in either 720p or 1080i. Troy

September 20th, 2004, 05:42 PM	#11
Phil Wright CineForm (Aspect HD) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 57	You may want to be careful about making such absolute statements unless you have a camera and DVHS deck to test that against.

September 20th, 2004, 09:29 PM	#13
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Other than the 1080i60 feature, I'm almost positive it will be compatible with DVHS. Same transport stream as HDV. But we won't know 100% until the camera comes out, of course. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 28th, 2004, 05:20 AM	#15
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Hey Heath, over at Mullen's site he says the FX1 can't be recorded to the D-VHS deck. "....FX1’s i.LINK output cannot be recorded to D-VHS." Take a look: http://home.earthlink.net/~dvcnyc/Sony%20HDR-FX1.htm Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer