Sony Z1 and FX1 various questions 2004 - 2005

Anhar Miah · January 9th, 2005, 10:55 AM

I have only seen the first short clip, it seems very sharp!

Simon Wyndham · January 19th, 2005, 12:59 PM

Dunno if this has been posted already but I just found another FX1 review with some fairly good full size screen grabs.

http://www.repaire.net/site/tournage/hdv_sony/index.php

Chris Hurd · January 24th, 2005, 06:20 PM

From the legendary Adam Wilt (the original "DV Guru" for all of us):

CF24, CF25, CF30: How the Sony HDV cameras fake 24, 25, and 30 fps

This is a "must read" for all those who are interested in how CineFrame modes work!

Aldo Erdic · January 28th, 2005, 11:35 AM

I read in the Z1 brochure that the camera can record video at a resolution of 720 x 576 pixels in PAL format in the DVCAM setting, native 16:9 widescreen.

Would it be possible to convert this to 720p PAL and then to 720p NTSC? Would this also approximate the look of 24 fps?

Dave Campbell · January 28th, 2005, 01:03 PM

Told me as soon as the Z1 was talked about, sales basically stopped on the FX1. He is not sure when he will get the Z1, or final price, but, he will call me when he gets, or I will call him when when I see someone else says they have in their hand.

I told him I have up to 4 folks who may be ready to buy the Z1 if we can get a good bulk buy.

I also want to wait a week or two after folks get them to see if they have any bugs.

Dave

Chris Hurd · January 28th, 2005, 01:29 PM

Any group buys must be kept off the DV Info Net boards and be conducted by private email. Thanks,

Barry Green · January 28th, 2005, 09:21 PM

Not sure what you're asking.

If you're asking if PAL video transferred to NTSC will look like 24p, the answer's no. PAL video is 50 fields per second, and it looks pretty much like NTSC except that it looks more "flickery" to those used to seeing NTSC.

Can PAL video transfer to film better than NTSC? Yes. But not as well as 24p does (or 25p from a PAL camera).

If you're wanting to transfer to film from a Z1, probably the best bet is to just shoot in 1080/50i and let the film transfer house do the conversion. The results should look pretty good, and will almost unquestionably look better than DVCAM PAL -> 720p/50 -> 720p/60-> film.

Michael Pappas · January 30th, 2005, 04:40 PM

DP interview about Z1U used on JAG and Z1U With Focus rig etc.

http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/media/Jody.wmv

Chris Hurd · January 30th, 2005, 04:43 PM

We have a discussion already going about this... please direct all replies to the original thread!

The link is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38555

Thanks,

Dave Campbell · January 30th, 2005, 06:55 PM

Okay, whats the difference between a NP-f970
and a 2np-f970?

Size? Cost?

I could not find a 2np-f970 on the web.

Will my f960 work in the zu1?

thanks

Dave

Renat Zarbailov · January 30th, 2005, 07:16 PM

I just posted a message in Laird Telemedia (makers of CapDiv) forum. The message is about whether there are firmware upgrade plans for CapDiv drives to support HDV signal.

Here is the post;

http://63.160.24.189/viewtopic.php?t=151

Scott Shuster · February 1st, 2005, 11:22 AM

Congratulations Shannon Rawls (see Shannon's great post "So...am I the first one with a Z1U???? *smile*") -- and thanks Shannon for being so responsive to the group here -- really teriffic of you.

Now: Regarding other shipments, here is the latest news from the venerable and gigantic B&H Photo here in New York:

Obviously, I misinterpreted the conversation I had with them week-before-last and my apologies to everyone for that (perhaps you saw my "Z1 is shipping tonight!" post on January 20th). Apologies, apologies...

I checked with B&H Online this morning (Tuesday morning February 1) and was told I will either receive a call from them soon telling me to come in to pick up the camera (I changed my order from 'ship' to 'pickup'), or if I do not hear from them during the rest of this week, then I should call them next week, because by next week they will at least be able to give me a shipment date.

Then I called the B&H store on 9th avenue and spoke with one of the ten-or-so guys in the ever-busy pro-video section there, and he said "We expect to have it here in the store in the next seven to ten days."

...which really pretty much matches exactly what the 'online' guy said, when you get right down to it.

So I think that's a pretty accurate picture of the situation at B&H Photo as of noon eastern time on Tuesday Feb. 1.

Chris Hurd · February 1st, 2005, 12:34 PM

Thanks Scott -- we were wondering what had happened there! Much appreciated,

Greg Jacobson · February 2nd, 2005, 02:25 AM

I called BH and they said they would ship around the 15th of Febuary.

Any stores (outside of California) have them ready to sell NOW?

I am talking about the Z1 not the FX1.

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2005, 07:47 AM

Hi Greg,

On this site, discussions about camera dealers are strictly limited to our site sponsors, in fairness to them and to our readers. You'll find a list at http://www.dvinfo.net/sponsors and you can call or click, as I've included phone numbers and sites. Please be sure to read about why those sponsors are chosen. Hope this helps,

January 19th, 2005, 12:59 PM	#77
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	FX1 review (French) Dunno if this has been posted already but I just found another FX1 review with some fairly good full size screen grabs. http://www.repaire.net/site/tournage/hdv_sony/index.php

January 24th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#78
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Adam Wilt's CineFrame article now online From the legendary Adam Wilt (the original "DV Guru" for all of us): CF24, CF25, CF30: How the Sony HDV cameras fake 24, 25, and 30 fps This is a "must read" for all those who are interested in how CineFrame modes work! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 28th, 2005, 11:35 AM	#79
Aldo Erdic Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 34	Z1 DVCAM PAL to 720p NTSC possible? I read in the Z1 brochure that the camera can record video at a resolution of 720 x 576 pixels in PAL format in the DVCAM setting, native 16:9 widescreen. Would it be possible to convert this to 720p PAL and then to 720p NTSC? Would this also approximate the look of 24 fps?

January 28th, 2005, 01:03 PM	#80
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	Dealer tells me he is swimming in FX1's Told me as soon as the Z1 was talked about, sales basically stopped on the FX1. He is not sure when he will get the Z1, or final price, but, he will call me when he gets, or I will call him when when I see someone else says they have in their hand. I told him I have up to 4 folks who may be ready to buy the Z1 if we can get a good bulk buy. I also want to wait a week or two after folks get them to see if they have any bugs. Dave

January 28th, 2005, 01:29 PM	#81
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Any group buys must be kept off the DV Info Net boards and be conducted by private email. Thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 9th, 2005, 10:55 AM	#76
Anhar Miah Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kindom, England Posts: 290	I have only seen the first short clip, it seems very sharp!

January 28th, 2005, 09:21 PM	#82
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Not sure what you're asking. If you're asking if PAL video transferred to NTSC will look like 24p, the answer's no. PAL video is 50 fields per second, and it looks pretty much like NTSC except that it looks more "flickery" to those used to seeing NTSC. Can PAL video transfer to film better than NTSC? Yes. But not as well as 24p does (or 25p from a PAL camera). If you're wanting to transfer to film from a Z1, probably the best bet is to just shoot in 1080/50i and let the film transfer house do the conversion. The results should look pretty good, and will almost unquestionably look better than DVCAM PAL -> 720p/50 -> 720p/60-> film.

January 30th, 2005, 04:40 PM	#83
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	MUST SEE ! Z1U With Focus rig etc. DP interview about Z1U used on JAGCheck it out DP interview about Z1U used on JAG and Z1U With Focus rig etc. http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/media/Jody.wmv

January 30th, 2005, 04:43 PM	#84
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	We have a discussion already going about this... please direct all replies to the original thread! The link is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38555 Thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 30th, 2005, 06:55 PM	#85
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	ZU1 batteries Okay, whats the difference between a NP-f970 and a 2np-f970? Size? Cost? I could not find a 2np-f970 on the web. Will my f960 work in the zu1? thanks Dave

January 30th, 2005, 07:16 PM	#86
Renat Zarbailov Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 125	CAPDIV recording in MPEG from SONY HDR-FX1 or HVR-Z1 I just posted a message in Laird Telemedia (makers of CapDiv) forum. The message is about whether there are firmware upgrade plans for CapDiv drives to support HDV signal. Here is the post; http://63.160.24.189/viewtopic.php?t=151 __________________ Sincerely, Renat Zarbailov of Innomind.org

February 1st, 2005, 11:22 AM	#87
Scott Shuster Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 125	Z1 shipment news Congratulations Shannon Rawls (see Shannon's great post "So...am I the first one with a Z1U???? smile") -- and thanks Shannon for being so responsive to the group here -- really teriffic of you. Now: Regarding other shipments, here is the latest news from the venerable and gigantic B&H Photo here in New York: Obviously, I misinterpreted the conversation I had with them week-before-last and my apologies to everyone for that (perhaps you saw my "Z1 is shipping tonight!" post on January 20th). Apologies, apologies... I checked with B&H Online this morning (Tuesday morning February 1) and was told I will either receive a call from them soon telling me to come in to pick up the camera (I changed my order from 'ship' to 'pickup'), or if I do not hear from them during the rest of this week, then I should call them next week, because by next week they will at least be able to give me a shipment date. Then I called the B&H store on 9th avenue and spoke with one of the ten-or-so guys in the ever-busy pro-video section there, and he said "We expect to have it here in the store in the next seven to ten days." ...which really pretty much matches exactly what the 'online' guy said, when you get right down to it. So I think that's a pretty accurate picture of the situation at B&H Photo as of noon eastern time on Tuesday Feb. 1. __________________ http://stratostream.com -- dance & fitness videos

February 1st, 2005, 12:34 PM	#88
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Thanks Scott -- we were wondering what had happened there! Much appreciated, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2005, 02:25 AM	#89
Greg Jacobson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York Posts: 141	Who has them in stock now? I called BH and they said they would ship around the 15th of Febuary. Any stores (outside of California) have them ready to sell NOW? I am talking about the Z1 not the FX1.

February 2nd, 2005, 07:47 AM	#90
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Hi Greg, On this site, discussions about camera dealers are strictly limited to our site sponsors, in fairness to them and to our readers. You'll find a list at http://www.dvinfo.net/sponsors and you can call or click, as I've included phone numbers and sites. Please be sure to read about why those sponsors are chosen. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!