Sony HDV Handycam DSR 0000

Frederic Lumiere · April 7th, 2004, 06:08 AM

I don't think we'll see any footage from that camera for a while. The display model was a mock-up, which means it was solid inside...no electronics. Just for show, under glass.

We wont see a Canon anytime soon, since Canon gets its electronics from Sony.

It'll be a while before we have another camera but JVC to choose from in the HDV arena.

Tommy Haupfear · April 7th, 2004, 07:01 AM

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is that a flip out LCD panel?? Or a mic mixer panel?? curious..

Supposedly its a 16:9 LCD Panel that folds out and swivels.

Heath McKnight · April 7th, 2004, 07:56 AM

If the top "panel" behind the mic is another LCD flip out screen, I'd be HAPPY!

heath

Pasty Jackson · April 14th, 2004, 11:24 PM

It's not actually an "additional" screen... it's the main LCD screen. As on the VX2100, the screen is on the side and the DV tape deck is on the other side where your hand goes. On this one, the LCD is moved to the front of the handle, the DV deck is moved to the left side so you don't have to remove your holding hand to switch tapes.
Also somebody mentioned earlier in this post that the 1, 2, 3 buttons might be focus presets? More likely, they are user memory buttons for camera settings (included would be white balance, shutter speed, iris, possibly mic levels, etc.).
(This is all speculation since the final product hasn't been introduced, but this is what can be gathered from numerous pictures I, along with others, have seen)

Anyway, I'm excited... looks like it'll be a solid product and it looks even more refined and user friendly than the current VX2100/PD-170.

Ignacio Rodriguez · April 15th, 2004, 12:22 AM

> Anyway, I'm excited... looks like it'll be a solid product and it
> looks even more refined and user friendly than the current
> VX2100/PD-170.

Hmm. I am sure it will be a very interesting product. I am also shure there is no way it will have the sensitivity to light that the VX2100/PD170 have. Also, it does not seem to feature XLR connectors so for demanding audio applications we will have to add some extra hardware not needen on cameras desgined for pro use like the PD150/170, PDX10, etc.

Let's hope Sony at least allows line level audio input in camera mode, then we could add a good preamp or mixer. I have a hunch that there might be two of these cameras in the works, one if the prototyped one, the other one having perhaps XLR inputs, maybe a better lens or some other feature to make it more appealing to professional videographers.

Pasty Jackson · April 15th, 2004, 07:31 AM

Yeah, you're probably correct about the light level sensitivety... it'll probably take a little while for the high def CCD's to catch up to the low light performance of the current VX2100 performance. On the XLR's, though... the prototype is labeled with a "DSR" which implies that it is the consumer version (no XLR's). There will probably be a "PD" version that adds XLR's... and at least $1500 to the price tag (booo!). The prototype did, however, have external audio level controls on the back side, which is definitely a good sign. The overall layout of the camera just seems to be very refined.
Well, I guess we've all got only a couple more days to find out the official details!

David Sheneman · April 16th, 2004, 08:18 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Pasty Jackson : On the XLR's, though... the prototype is labeled with a "DSR" which implies that it is the consumer version (no XLR's). There will probably be a "PD" version that adds XLR's... and at least $1500 to the price tag (booo!). -->>>

Actually, DSR is the prefix for their professional cameras, like the DSR-PD150. Their consumer versions are DCR - like DCR-VX1000, DCR-TRVXXX etc.

Chris Hurd · April 16th, 2004, 08:47 AM

David is quite right -- the designation "DSR" would imply that it actually does have built-in XLR connectors. Hope this helps,

Ignacio Rodriguez · April 16th, 2004, 05:44 PM

The mock-up seen also had the Handycam logo stenciled on it's body... and there are no Handycams with XLR connectors, it's their consumer brand. Also... I don't see there being any space for XLR connectors.

Boyd Ostroff · April 16th, 2004, 06:36 PM

Some of the photos of this camera said "DSR 0000" others did not. Some had a "3 CCD" decal, others did not. Let's face it, until Sony actually announces something this is just vaporware...

Dave Largent · April 19th, 2004, 01:49 AM

So what's the reasoning that it won't have the
light sensitivity of the VX/PD?

Tommy Haupfear · April 19th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Quote:

So what's the reasoning that it won't have the
light sensitivity of the VX/PD?

The millions of pixels would probably diminish any low light performance offered by the glass and (hopefully large) CCDs. At least that has been the case with most sub $5k USD cams offering over 1 million pixels per CCD.

There is something to be said about the VX2100 and PD170 with their relatively low pixel count (340k video actual) and 1/3" CCDs in regards to low light performance.

Betsy Moore · April 19th, 2004, 12:03 PM

Re: "There is something to be said about the VX2100 and PD170 with their relatively low pixel count (340k video actual) and 1/3" CCDs in regards to low light performance."

And that thing to be said is, "for a fat girl you don't sweat too much."

Ignacio Rodriguez · April 19th, 2004, 02:35 PM

> "for a fat girl you don't sweat too much."

Jajjaja, that's, well, sort of the nail on the head. I don't think the pixel size/light sensitivity ratio can get any better than that of the Sony VX2100/PD170. At twice the resolution I presume the CCD would have to be four times the size to have the same low light performance. Probably this is why JVC is going CMOS, not CCD, for their pro HDV offering.

David Gomez · April 20th, 2004, 09:32 PM

I am buying this camera as soon as it comes out!

April 7th, 2004, 07:56 AM	#123
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April 15th, 2004, 12:22 AM	#125
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> Anyway, I'm excited... looks like it'll be a solid product and it > looks even more refined and user friendly than the current > VX2100/PD-170. Hmm. I am sure it will be a very interesting product. I am also shure there is no way it will have the sensitivity to light that the VX2100/PD170 have. Also, it does not seem to feature XLR connectors so for demanding audio applications we will have to add some extra hardware not needen on cameras desgined for pro use like the PD150/170, PDX10, etc. Let's hope Sony at least allows line level audio input in camera mode, then we could add a good preamp or mixer. I have a hunch that there might be two of these cameras in the works, one if the prototyped one, the other one having perhaps XLR inputs, maybe a better lens or some other feature to make it more appealing to professional videographers. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

April 16th, 2004, 08:18 AM	#127
David Sheneman Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 26	<<<-- Originally posted by Pasty Jackson : On the XLR's, though... the prototype is labeled with a "DSR" which implies that it is the consumer version (no XLR's). There will probably be a "PD" version that adds XLR's... and at least $1500 to the price tag (booo!). -->>> Actually, DSR is the prefix for their professional cameras, like the DSR-PD150. Their consumer versions are DCR - like DCR-VX1000, DCR-TRVXXX etc. __________________ David Sheneman Rockford, IL

April 16th, 2004, 08:47 AM	#128
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	David is quite right -- the designation "DSR" would imply that it actually does have built-in XLR connectors. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 16th, 2004, 05:44 PM	#129
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	The mock-up seen also had the Handycam logo stenciled on it's body... and there are no Handycams with XLR connectors, it's their consumer brand. Also... I don't see there being any space for XLR connectors. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

April 7th, 2004, 06:08 AM	#121
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	I don't think we'll see any footage from that camera for a while. The display model was a mock-up, which means it was solid inside...no electronics. Just for show, under glass. We wont see a Canon anytime soon, since Canon gets its electronics from Sony. It'll be a while before we have another camera but JVC to choose from in the HDV arena.

April 14th, 2004, 11:24 PM	#124
Pasty Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 47	It's not actually an "additional" screen... it's the main LCD screen. As on the VX2100, the screen is on the side and the DV tape deck is on the other side where your hand goes. On this one, the LCD is moved to the front of the handle, the DV deck is moved to the left side so you don't have to remove your holding hand to switch tapes. Also somebody mentioned earlier in this post that the 1, 2, 3 buttons might be focus presets? More likely, they are user memory buttons for camera settings (included would be white balance, shutter speed, iris, possibly mic levels, etc.). (This is all speculation since the final product hasn't been introduced, but this is what can be gathered from numerous pictures I, along with others, have seen) Anyway, I'm excited... looks like it'll be a solid product and it looks even more refined and user friendly than the current VX2100/PD-170.

April 15th, 2004, 07:31 AM	#126
Pasty Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 47	Yeah, you're probably correct about the light level sensitivety... it'll probably take a little while for the high def CCD's to catch up to the low light performance of the current VX2100 performance. On the XLR's, though... the prototype is labeled with a "DSR" which implies that it is the consumer version (no XLR's). There will probably be a "PD" version that adds XLR's... and at least $1500 to the price tag (booo!). The prototype did, however, have external audio level controls on the back side, which is definitely a good sign. The overall layout of the camera just seems to be very refined. Well, I guess we've all got only a couple more days to find out the official details!

April 16th, 2004, 06:36 PM	#130
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Some of the photos of this camera said "DSR 0000" others did not. Some had a "3 CCD" decal, others did not. Let's face it, until Sony actually announces something this is just vaporware...

April 19th, 2004, 01:49 AM	#131
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	So what's the reasoning that it won't have the light sensitivity of the VX/PD?

April 19th, 2004, 12:03 PM	#133
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	Re: "There is something to be said about the VX2100 and PD170 with their relatively low pixel count (340k video actual) and 1/3" CCDs in regards to low light performance." And that thing to be said is, "for a fat girl you don't sweat too much."

April 19th, 2004, 02:35 PM	#134
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> "for a fat girl you don't sweat too much." Jajjaja, that's, well, sort of the nail on the head. I don't think the pixel size/light sensitivity ratio can get any better than that of the Sony VX2100/PD170. At twice the resolution I presume the CCD would have to be four times the size to have the same low light performance. Probably this is why JVC is going CMOS, not CCD, for their pro HDV offering. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

April 20th, 2004, 09:32 PM	#135
David Gomez Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 50	This baby has XLR connections... YES!!! I am buying this camera as soon as it comes out!