Sony HDV Handycam DSR 0000

Heath McKnight · March 18th, 2004, 10:10 AM

Again, what about the fact that the camera was listed on sony Europe's site?

heath

Frederic Lumiere · March 18th, 2004, 10:42 AM

Has anyone saved the Hi rez pic of the camera? It's gone from the site.

Barry Green · March 18th, 2004, 11:14 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Gipson : Now I see how important Brand recognition is. Aside from this camera having 3CCDs, it seems like it is getting a lot of thumbs up already just because it is Sony. -->>>

I don't agree. I mean, yes, there are brand bigots out there, but I think the reason this is getting so much attention is because (at least from the picture) it looks like it will be a truly professional camera design. JVC announced the HD1 as being for home consumers. Sony's mockup of the DSR-0000 (or whatever it's called) is clearly not aimed at home consumers: it's showing a true manual zoom ring, flip switches for gain and white balance, a manual iris knob, manual audio controls... plus three CCD's... with a year to think about what JVC has done (and which parts have been most complained about) there's clearly much optimism that Sony will address and fix those complaints in their release.

I think Lynne said it best though -- if JVC introduces an HDV-5000U, the Sony goes back on the "also-ran" pile.

(don't you love the Internet age... the announcement's not even 24 hours old yet, the camera doesn't even EXIST yet, and already there are some of us relegating it to "also-ran" status!) ;)

I don't care for Sony's "you love us because we are Sony, you will buy our product and pay more for it simply because we are Sony" attitude... but I will say that the picture of the new HDV camera looks like Sony "gets it" and will deliver a very, very interesting product.

Glenn Gipson · March 18th, 2004, 11:47 AM

Good point Barry. Of course, if it only does interlace, I don't think I'll be too interested. Magic Bullet HD cost 2k!

Douglas Call · March 18th, 2004, 11:50 AM

I was unable to see either of the pictures of the unit. Did anyone get a sense of what kind of price we're talking about? Under $5k maybe.

Betsy Moore · March 18th, 2004, 12:23 PM

I'm with Chris, Ashley, and Daymon: if the camera reviewers and talkback communities keep keep on bitching and moaning for faster tape speeds, better bit rates, Sony and JVC and the rest might at least have to consider it.

Like other posters, I am worried about 1080i--without progressive scan we're hobbled. Of course 108024p takes up less information and tape time than 108060i so we can dream that some day... I know, I know it's too much to ask but--sighhh...

Can you believe just a year and a half ago, all the experts in all the DV magazines were saying with full authority that home HD cams would definitely not appear before 2010 to 2015. I'm sure the Sony will be ten times better but thanks JVC for forcing the HD revolution ten years early.

Dylan Couper · March 18th, 2004, 12:49 PM

For those that didn't see the pic, it kind of looks like a VX2000.

I spent some time looking at a closeup of the hi-res pic trying to find a 24p mode on it. Didn't see one.

Heath McKnight · March 18th, 2004, 02:17 PM

I hate to keep driving this home, but why was this camera announced on the Sony Europe site? Though a PAL version would be great for filmmakers, others want 30p or 60i versions.

What are your thoughts? We should try nailing down what kind of camera this is, NTSC or PAL.

heath

Dave Largent · March 18th, 2004, 02:29 PM

Is it suppose to be shown at NAB? What's the estimate
on when a production model will be out?

Heath McKnight · March 18th, 2004, 03:19 PM

A reliable source says Sony will be previewing an HDV camera, likely a 3 ccd, at NAB. Which leads me to believe my source is hinting at this camera. That could be the answer to the NTSC or PAL question.

heath

Ron Evans · March 18th, 2004, 04:16 PM

More info at http://www.abcdv.com/

Ron

Barry Green · March 18th, 2004, 04:22 PM

Well, HD is neither NTSC nor PAL, it's HD... so as far as that goes, it should be irrelevant (although if the camera has a standard DV shooting mode, then PAL/NTSC would become relevant for that mode)...

... but considering that we know nothing about it at all, we know nothing about what modes it shoots in, we know nothing about what resolutions it may offer (other than a passing reference to 1080), we know nothing about what refresh rates it may offer (60i? 50i? 30P? 25P?)... and Sony USA refuses to even talk about the product (other than to call it a "mockup", not even a prototype)...

I don't think you're going to get any answers on this forum anytime soon.

However, it is a little curious that it would be introduced in PAL territories, since PAL countries seem largely indifferent to HDTV.

Ron Evans · March 18th, 2004, 04:29 PM

Heath , I think it is pure timing. CEBIT comes before NAB every year. Things get announced there first. In this internet age marketing is borderless and keeps everyone guessing regardless of standards used. This will stop people making decisions until they get more information so will hurt JVC or anyone else who announces until all the information is out most likely at NAB. Nice delaying tactic. Besides HD is HD.

Ron

Heath McKnight · March 18th, 2004, 04:33 PM

Good point, Ron.

BUT, JVC has announcement of their OWN 3 CCD HDV ENG-style camera:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=23142

Thanks,

heath

Heath McKnight · March 18th, 2004, 05:13 PM

JVC will have a 3 CCD HDV Camera to show at NAB. The scoop can be found here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=23142

heath

March 18th, 2004, 10:10 AM	#46
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Again, what about the fact that the camera was listed on sony Europe's site? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 18th, 2004, 10:42 AM	#47
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Hi Rez Picture Gone Has anyone saved the Hi rez pic of the camera? It's gone from the site.

March 18th, 2004, 11:14 AM	#48
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Re: Interesting psychology... <<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Gipson : Now I see how important Brand recognition is. Aside from this camera having 3CCDs, it seems like it is getting a lot of thumbs up already just because it is Sony. -->>> I don't agree. I mean, yes, there are brand bigots out there, but I think the reason this is getting so much attention is because (at least from the picture) it looks like it will be a truly professional camera design. JVC announced the HD1 as being for home consumers. Sony's mockup of the DSR-0000 (or whatever it's called) is clearly not aimed at home consumers: it's showing a true manual zoom ring, flip switches for gain and white balance, a manual iris knob, manual audio controls... plus three CCD's... with a year to think about what JVC has done (and which parts have been most complained about) there's clearly much optimism that Sony will address and fix those complaints in their release. I think Lynne said it best though -- if JVC introduces an HDV-5000U, the Sony goes back on the "also-ran" pile. (don't you love the Internet age... the announcement's not even 24 hours old yet, the camera doesn't even EXIST yet, and already there are some of us relegating it to "also-ran" status!) ;) I don't care for Sony's "you love us because we are Sony, you will buy our product and pay more for it simply because we are Sony" attitude... but I will say that the picture of the new HDV camera looks like Sony "gets it" and will deliver a very, very interesting product.

March 18th, 2004, 11:50 AM	#50
Douglas Call Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 302	Did Sony Give an Idea Of Price I was unable to see either of the pictures of the unit. Did anyone get a sense of what kind of price we're talking about? Under $5k maybe.

March 18th, 2004, 12:49 PM	#52
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	For those that didn't see the pic, it kind of looks like a VX2000. I spent some time looking at a closeup of the hi-res pic trying to find a 24p mode on it. Didn't see one. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 18th, 2004, 11:47 AM	#49
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Good point Barry. Of course, if it only does interlace, I don't think I'll be too interested. Magic Bullet HD cost 2k!

March 18th, 2004, 12:23 PM	#51
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	I'm with Chris, Ashley, and Daymon: if the camera reviewers and talkback communities keep keep on bitching and moaning for faster tape speeds, better bit rates, Sony and JVC and the rest might at least have to consider it. Like other posters, I am worried about 1080i--without progressive scan we're hobbled. Of course 108024p takes up less information and tape time than 108060i so we can dream that some day... I know, I know it's too much to ask but--sighhh... Can you believe just a year and a half ago, all the experts in all the DV magazines were saying with full authority that home HD cams would definitely not appear before 2010 to 2015. I'm sure the Sony will be ten times better but thanks JVC for forcing the HD revolution ten years early.

March 18th, 2004, 02:17 PM	#53
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I hate to keep driving this home, but why was this camera announced on the Sony Europe site? Though a PAL version would be great for filmmakers, others want 30p or 60i versions. What are your thoughts? We should try nailing down what kind of camera this is, NTSC or PAL. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 18th, 2004, 02:29 PM	#54
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Is it suppose to be shown at NAB? What's the estimate on when a production model will be out?

March 18th, 2004, 03:19 PM	#55
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	A reliable source says Sony will be previewing an HDV camera, likely a 3 ccd, at NAB. Which leads me to believe my source is hinting at this camera. That could be the answer to the NTSC or PAL question. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 18th, 2004, 04:16 PM	#56
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	More info at http://www.abcdv.com/ Ron

March 18th, 2004, 04:22 PM	#57
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Well, HD is neither NTSC nor PAL, it's HD... so as far as that goes, it should be irrelevant (although if the camera has a standard DV shooting mode, then PAL/NTSC would become relevant for that mode)... ... but considering that we know nothing about it at all, we know nothing about what modes it shoots in, we know nothing about what resolutions it may offer (other than a passing reference to 1080), we know nothing about what refresh rates it may offer (60i? 50i? 30P? 25P?)... and Sony USA refuses to even talk about the product (other than to call it a "mockup", not even a prototype)... I don't think you're going to get any answers on this forum anytime soon. However, it is a little curious that it would be introduced in PAL territories, since PAL countries seem largely indifferent to HDTV.

March 18th, 2004, 04:29 PM	#58
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Heath , I think it is pure timing. CEBIT comes before NAB every year. Things get announced there first. In this internet age marketing is borderless and keeps everyone guessing regardless of standards used. This will stop people making decisions until they get more information so will hurt JVC or anyone else who announces until all the information is out most likely at NAB. Nice delaying tactic. Besides HD is HD. Ron

March 18th, 2004, 04:33 PM	#59
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Good point, Ron. BUT, JVC has announcement of their OWN 3 CCD HDV ENG-style camera: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=23142 Thanks, heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 18th, 2004, 05:13 PM	#60
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	JVC will have a 3 CCD HDV Camera to show at NAB. The scoop can be found here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=23142 heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog