Sony HDV Handycam DSR 0000

Daymon Hoffman · March 17th, 2004, 10:08 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Gordon : Ten bucks says that the mysterious 1, 2 & 3 buttons are for

1080i

540/480p

480i -->>>

5c says the 1/2/3 buttons are for 1, 2, or 3 CCDs ..... :P

NB: for those without any sense of humour.. this is a joke

Clayton Farr · March 17th, 2004, 10:48 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy :

3) Focus wheel has a "thingie" to move it, with markings!>>>

Actually it looks like that may be the zoom ring - with the focus ring right behind the lens...

Pretty interesting though,
Clayton

Frank Granovski · March 17th, 2004, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Yeah, I'm selling my HD10u right now!

If you do that, what are you going to use in the mean time? That could mean a year or more. :-))

Aaron Koolen · March 17th, 2004, 11:57 PM

I guess with a hardware solution I can imagine it being OK, but software only solutions would be awful I'd imagine. I'll hold judgement though...

Aaron

Ashley Cooper · March 18th, 2004, 12:45 AM

Daymon-

Sony would never agree to fewer minutes and better quality. Who needs better quality and more editing lattitude when you can get a few more minutes per tape? I mean, don't 16mm cans run for at least an hour?

In other words, I was trying to be funny, you are right, and I agree with you completely. I just don't think we're gonna see it happen.

Patrick MCMurray · March 18th, 2004, 01:04 AM

one of the links isnt working!!!!!

i only get the pic and pdf

what am i missing?

whats the price <range>?!!!

Frank Granovski · March 18th, 2004, 02:09 AM

Funny, I don't get the pic.

Chris Gordon · March 18th, 2004, 03:03 AM

Sony has done it before. Look at what they did with the Beta format. You could put 2 hours of Betamax video on a Beta tape OR 30 minutes of pro Betacam footage on that same tape.

There's no reason to suggest that they couldn't do it again. Maybe they'll call it HDVCAM or HDV Pro.

-Chris Gordon
Promo Producer
KABC-TV Los Angeles

Christopher C. Murphy · March 18th, 2004, 06:25 AM

Maybe we saw something we weren't suppose to see? Otherwise, we were suppose to see it and make some noise..

I think we need to contact Sony stock holders and YELL really loud that HDV can make them money.

What do you guys think??

Murph

Christopher C. Murphy · March 18th, 2004, 06:27 AM

Kenn, let's call it a tie...we both win!

:)

Lynne Whelden · March 18th, 2004, 06:46 AM

Clearly this Sony will blow the current JVC out of the water and into obsolescence. Their only response--assuming they want to remain in the game (a big assumption!)--should be to take their DV5000 camera and convert it to HDV. Price it under $10,000. With the option of a nice lens on the front as well as two channels of balanced audio, suddenly the Sony camera looks like kid's stuff again.

Nick Hiltgen · March 18th, 2004, 08:10 AM

I think we won't have to yell really loud, but we might have to wait until sometime between april 15th and the 22nd. (probably closer to the earlier date) I'm curious as to what 1080i looks like compressed into mpeg2

Ben Gurvich · March 18th, 2004, 08:25 AM

what about 720p? i mean isnt a big part of the filmlook progressive?, or will u be able to post 1080i to 1080p.

In my experience in DV shotting pregressive vs deinterlacing has no comparison.

-heres some food for thought, think about in 15 years time when your kid or grandkid comes in from being in the backyard making a film with their friends and theve got this little SHDV3 camera and it look like bloody imax.- im keeping my svhsc cam to show my kids what i had to use!

Cheers,
Ben Gurvich

Ben Buie · March 18th, 2004, 09:09 AM

Guys, I know this is exciting news, but don't think we are going to see this camera anytime soon. I think 2005 best case. They are talking about "announcing a prototype at CeBit". I assume if they already had the prototype ready to demo they would have actually shown that prototype at CeBit (or at least a physical mockup of it).

Basically this is confirmation of what everyone already knew; that Sony and all of JVC's competitors are planning on releasing their HDV cameras sometime in 2005. That is a pretty safe bet. I just hope people don't get their hopes up about the camera being available for purchse this year.

Hopefully they will prove me wrong and announce something at NAB.

Also, notice they have removed the picture, probably because they know if they mis-represent the cameras ability with that mockup then people will be disappointed when the camera comes out. Someone already correctly pointed out that Sony would not have "DSRxxxx" and "Handycam" on the same camera.

Notice that the press release was VERY careful not to mention specs (they do not mention 3 chips anywhere, for example), although they did make a vague marketing-type reference to 1080i.

This is basically a common strategy (and a good one) to keep people from buying the JVC until Sony can get their camera released. The more they hint at this the more people will be hesitant to buy the JVC. Thus, I think the best thing about this short-term is that hopefully the prices on the JVC cameras will tumble.

Finally, I don't think there is any question that the Sony offering will be "better", but I also think you can bet on it being substantially more expensive.

Anyway, don't sell your JVC's just yet; unless you want to sell it to us for cheap :)

Glenn Gipson · March 18th, 2004, 09:55 AM

Now I see how important Brand recognition is. Aside from this camera having 3CCDs, it seems like it is getting a lot of thumbs up already just because it is Sony. When the JVC cam came out, people were quick to trash it, even before they found out it had 1CCD (or even before they saw the image!) Anyway, I’m excited by the camera myself, so maybe I have a little bit of a Sony-Fan Boy in me :)

March 17th, 2004, 10:08 PM	#31
Daymon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 267	Re: Also... <<<-- Originally posted by Chris Gordon : Ten bucks says that the mysterious 1, 2 & 3 buttons are for 1080i 540/480p 480i -->>> 5c says the 1/2/3 buttons are for 1, 2, or 3 CCDs ..... :P NB: for those without any sense of humour.. this is a joke __________________ Welcome... to the real world!

March 17th, 2004, 10:48 PM	#32
Clayton Farr Contributor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 94	Re: Sony HDV Handycam DSR 0000 - the specs! <<<-- Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy : 3) Focus wheel has a "thingie" to move it, with markings!>>> Actually it looks like that may be the zoom ring - with the focus ring right behind the lens... Pretty interesting though, Clayton

March 17th, 2004, 11:57 PM	#34
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	I guess with a hardware solution I can imagine it being OK, but software only solutions would be awful I'd imagine. I'll hold judgement though... Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

March 18th, 2004, 01:04 AM	#36
Patrick MCMurray Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 66	one of the links isnt working!!!!! i only get the pic and pdf what am i missing? whats the price <range>?!!! __________________ Remember, Tuesdays are Soylent Green days!

March 18th, 2004, 03:03 AM	#38
Chris Gordon Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 44	Shorter tapes, better quality. Sony has done it before. Look at what they did with the Beta format. You could put 2 hours of Betamax video on a Beta tape OR 30 minutes of pro Betacam footage on that same tape. There's no reason to suggest that they couldn't do it again. Maybe they'll call it HDVCAM or HDV Pro. -Chris Gordon Promo Producer KABC-TV Los Angeles

March 18th, 2004, 12:45 AM	#35
Ashley Cooper Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 85	Daymon- Sony would never agree to fewer minutes and better quality. Who needs better quality and more editing lattitude when you can get a few more minutes per tape? I mean, don't 16mm cans run for at least an hour? In other words, I was trying to be funny, you are right, and I agree with you completely. I just don't think we're gonna see it happen.

March 18th, 2004, 02:09 AM	#37
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Funny, I don't get the pic.

March 18th, 2004, 06:25 AM	#39
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Maybe we saw something we weren't suppose to see? Otherwise, we were suppose to see it and make some noise.. I think we need to contact Sony stock holders and YELL really loud that HDV can make them money. What do you guys think?? Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 18th, 2004, 06:27 AM	#40
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Kenn, let's call it a tie...we both win! :) __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 18th, 2004, 06:46 AM	#41
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	JVC-are you awake? Clearly this Sony will blow the current JVC out of the water and into obsolescence. Their only response--assuming they want to remain in the game (a big assumption!)--should be to take their DV5000 camera and convert it to HDV. Price it under $10,000. With the option of a nice lens on the front as well as two channels of balanced audio, suddenly the Sony camera looks like kid's stuff again.

March 18th, 2004, 08:10 AM	#42
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	I think we won't have to yell really loud, but we might have to wait until sometime between april 15th and the 22nd. (probably closer to the earlier date) I'm curious as to what 1080i looks like compressed into mpeg2

March 18th, 2004, 08:25 AM	#43
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	what about 720p? i mean isnt a big part of the filmlook progressive?, or will u be able to post 1080i to 1080p. In my experience in DV shotting pregressive vs deinterlacing has no comparison. -heres some food for thought, think about in 15 years time when your kid or grandkid comes in from being in the backyard making a film with their friends and theve got this little SHDV3 camera and it look like bloody imax.- im keeping my svhsc cam to show my kids what i had to use! Cheers, Ben Gurvich

March 18th, 2004, 09:09 AM	#44
Ben Buie Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 184	Guys, I know this is exciting news, but don't think we are going to see this camera anytime soon. I think 2005 best case. They are talking about "announcing a prototype at CeBit". I assume if they already had the prototype ready to demo they would have actually shown that prototype at CeBit (or at least a physical mockup of it). Basically this is confirmation of what everyone already knew; that Sony and all of JVC's competitors are planning on releasing their HDV cameras sometime in 2005. That is a pretty safe bet. I just hope people don't get their hopes up about the camera being available for purchse this year. Hopefully they will prove me wrong and announce something at NAB. Also, notice they have removed the picture, probably because they know if they mis-represent the cameras ability with that mockup then people will be disappointed when the camera comes out. Someone already correctly pointed out that Sony would not have "DSRxxxx" and "Handycam" on the same camera. Notice that the press release was VERY careful not to mention specs (they do not mention 3 chips anywhere, for example), although they did make a vague marketing-type reference to 1080i. This is basically a common strategy (and a good one) to keep people from buying the JVC until Sony can get their camera released. The more they hint at this the more people will be hesitant to buy the JVC. Thus, I think the best thing about this short-term is that hopefully the prices on the JVC cameras will tumble. Finally, I don't think there is any question that the Sony offering will be "better", but I also think you can bet on it being substantially more expensive. Anyway, don't sell your JVC's just yet; unless you want to sell it to us for cheap :) __________________ Ben Buie, Producer "On Our Way Up" - Shot Completely in HDV http://www.onourwayup.com HD Articles and Reviews at HDSource! http://hdsource.highlydef.com

March 18th, 2004, 09:55 AM	#45
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Interesting psychology... Now I see how important Brand recognition is. Aside from this camera having 3CCDs, it seems like it is getting a lot of thumbs up already just because it is Sony. When the JVC cam came out, people were quick to trash it, even before they found out it had 1CCD (or even before they saw the image!) Anyway, I’m excited by the camera myself, so maybe I have a little bit of a Sony-Fan Boy in me :)