Are you happy with your Z1 at DVinfo.net

Simon Denny · December 8th, 2007, 11:29 AM

OK I have decided that the Z1 is the go me me. (I THINK)
All I need is a cam that does 16.9 real good and future proof myself for the onset of HD.
Price in Australia is ok, it will probley drop price as I speak now.

But just before I hand my hard earned over to purchase the ZI, I was looking for one last comment from users on this camera good or bad.
With so many cameras out there that do the same thing (sort of) it's very difficult making the right choice & I hope that I will be choosing the correct camera.

Cheers
Simon

Ian Briscoe · December 8th, 2007, 12:34 PM

Thumbs up from me. I've got 2 and have had no problems other than a blown firewire port (not exactly uncommon - just be careful how you connect it to the computer).

I mainly use it for weddings - sometimes have to shoot with high gain bacause of low light but picture is still very good.

I just wish the Expand Focus would work while recording rather than just in standby mode. And if you don't have quick record switched on it can take what seems like forever for it to start recording.

I am thinking of switching to the EX1 but thats because i like the idea of tapeless record and capture - not because of any shortcomings with the Z1.

Ian

Martin Pauly · December 8th, 2007, 04:59 PM

I have two, and I may get one or two more over the next year (for multi-camera coverage of live events). Like Ian said, there are things that would probably be a little better if done differently, but that's probably true for anything you can buy off the shelf.

I particularly like the low-light performance, which is very important for many of my projects. A relatively good gain ("good" as in "not adding much noise") combined with the black stretch feature have saved many shots for me.

- Martin

Boyd Ostroff · December 8th, 2007, 05:01 PM

I'm still quite happy with my Z1 which I bought in June 2005. No problems with it whatsoever. If I were in the market today though, it would be a much tougher choice. But my original reason for getting the Z1 was a PAL project, but I didn't want to get a PAL-only camera.

Jim Michael · December 8th, 2007, 05:08 PM

First off, I have a Z1 and like it a lot. Second, what do you mean by future proof yourself for the onset of HD? What would you be producing with your Z1? The technology has been evolving and there might be a better choice.

Joseph Hutson · December 8th, 2007, 06:06 PM

The EX1 does have a better resolution vs. the Z1U, and I like the tapeless editing aspect.

If I had the money for the EX1, I would buy it over the Z1U.

But, I do use a couple of Z1U's for my business.

The only thing I don't like is that it is not very good in low light, and the LCD can give a false image preview. There have been many times when I shoot video, and the video in the editing suite winds up being to light, or too dark...very frustrating!

Simon Denny · December 9th, 2007, 03:10 AM

Thanks for the advice people, I'm going ahead this week so looking forward to the learning cruve with this cam.
Cheers
Simon

Martin Pauly · December 9th, 2007, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Hutson

The only thing I don't like is that it is not very good in low light, and the LCD can give a false image preview.

What would be a GOOD choice for low-light performance then among HDV cameras, in the price range that the Z1U plays in? I stepped up from an HC3, which is horrible in low light, and while of course it's always better to have even more/better performance, in general I am impressed with what the Z1U does when I use it outdoors at night or in fairly dark places indoors.

- Martin

Jeff Heywood · December 10th, 2007, 01:23 AM

If you've got lots of action, water, outdoors and motion, stay away from the Z1U. It's very easy to overload the codec. We do a lot of shooting on the water and of the water. Those sort of situations give the Z1U fits and you get tons of compression artifacts. For static interviews, weddings etc. I'm sure it's fine. Other wise, stay very far away.

Carl Middleton · December 10th, 2007, 07:13 AM

Though the HDV codec can have fits, I filmed an entire season of adventure videography using the Z1 as the A camera... and it came out fantastic!

A heck of a lot better than you'll ever see on cable, anyways. As long as care was taken to NOT kill the codec whenever possible. :)

I absolutely adore my Z1, though I can't wait for the Cineform SOLID (is it officially named that yet?) to be able to bypass the HDV compression.

Carl

Steven Davis · December 10th, 2007, 07:44 AM

I love my Z1u, I use it with my V1s and typically use my Z1 as my workhorse.

As mentioned above, you want to watch your lighting, but other than that, I've been very happy my Z1.

Nothing will ever replace my GL2 though, no matter what. :}

Stu Holmes · December 10th, 2007, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Heywood

If you've got lots of action, water, outdoors and motion, stay away from the Z1U. It's very easy to overload the codec. We do a lot of shooting on the water and of the water. Those sort of situations give the Z1U fits and you get tons of compression artifacts. For static interviews, weddings etc. I'm sure it's fine. Other wise, stay very far away.

This is the nature of the HDV codec.

Choose your codec that suits, then choose your cam that suits - in that order.

Jeff Heywood · December 10th, 2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Holmes

This is the nature of the HDV codec.

Choose your codec that suits, then choose your cam that suits - in that order.

Extremely wise advice.

Greg Laves · December 10th, 2007, 11:23 PM

Forgive my ignorance but I am a rookie at HDV and considering various cameras at this time, myself. But what should I be looking for with codec issues with HDV? I have only had a couple of opportunities to play with a FX-1 and a V1U but I did not notice any issues when recording the Blue Angels with the V1U. Nor did I notice any codec issues when recording motorcycle road races. Both are pretty fast moving subjects. Plus, several have mentioned issues with shooting water. I know that Discovery Channel used 50 Z1U's when filming "Worlds Deadliest Catch" which obviously has lots of water in the shots. What did they do to overcome the codec issues?

Simon Denny · December 10th, 2007, 11:33 PM

Well I have done the deed and got the Sony Z1, now I can stop talking to myself ABOUT THIS CAM,THAT CAM.
One thing is its a lot bigger than my PD170 BUT THATS COOL.

This is what I got.
Sony Z1
Millier DS10 tripod
Couple NPF970's Battery Pack
Rode Deadcat
Sony Lead Light HVLLBP
Rode Condensor Mic NTG-1
Sony Lavalalier Wireless Mic System

And I still have the old PD170 for backup, SD 4.3 stuff.

Now how do I turn this on............

Cheers
Simon

December 8th, 2007, 11:29 AM	#1
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Are you happy with your Z1 OK I have decided that the Z1 is the go me me. (I THINK) All I need is a cam that does 16.9 real good and future proof myself for the onset of HD. Price in Australia is ok, it will probley drop price as I speak now. But just before I hand my hard earned over to purchase the ZI, I was looking for one last comment from users on this camera good or bad. With so many cameras out there that do the same thing (sort of) it's very difficult making the right choice & I hope that I will be choosing the correct camera. Cheers Simon

December 8th, 2007, 04:59 PM	#3
Martin Pauly Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 563	I have two, and I may get one or two more over the next year (for multi-camera coverage of live events). Like Ian said, there are things that would probably be a little better if done differently, but that's probably true for anything you can buy off the shelf. I particularly like the low-light performance, which is very important for many of my projects. A relatively good gain ("good" as in "not adding much noise") combined with the black stretch feature have saved many shots for me. - Martin __________________ Martin Pauly

December 10th, 2007, 07:13 AM	#10
Carl Middleton Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fernandina Beach, FL Posts: 562	Though the HDV codec can have fits, I filmed an entire season of adventure videography using the Z1 as the A camera... and it came out fantastic! A heck of a lot better than you'll ever see on cable, anyways. As long as care was taken to NOT kill the codec whenever possible. :) I absolutely adore my Z1, though I can't wait for the Cineform SOLID (is it officially named that yet?) to be able to bypass the HDV compression. Carl __________________ Carl Middleton Whizkid Mediaworks

December 10th, 2007, 07:44 AM	#11
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	I love my Z1u, I use it with my V1s and typically use my Z1 as my workhorse. As mentioned above, you want to watch your lighting, but other than that, I've been very happy my Z1. Nothing will ever replace my GL2 though, no matter what. :} __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

December 8th, 2007, 12:34 PM	#2
Ian Briscoe Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southport - UK Posts: 208	Thumbs up from me. I've got 2 and have had no problems other than a blown firewire port (not exactly uncommon - just be careful how you connect it to the computer). I mainly use it for weddings - sometimes have to shoot with high gain bacause of low light but picture is still very good. I just wish the Expand Focus would work while recording rather than just in standby mode. And if you don't have quick record switched on it can take what seems like forever for it to start recording. I am thinking of switching to the EX1 but thats because i like the idea of tapeless record and capture - not because of any shortcomings with the Z1. Ian

December 8th, 2007, 05:01 PM	#4
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I'm still quite happy with my Z1 which I bought in June 2005. No problems with it whatsoever. If I were in the market today though, it would be a much tougher choice. But my original reason for getting the Z1 was a PAL project, but I didn't want to get a PAL-only camera.

December 8th, 2007, 05:08 PM	#5
Jim Michael Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 895	First off, I have a Z1 and like it a lot. Second, what do you mean by future proof yourself for the onset of HD? What would you be producing with your Z1? The technology has been evolving and there might be a better choice.

December 8th, 2007, 06:06 PM	#6
Joseph Hutson Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Claremore, Oklahoma Posts: 131	The EX1 does have a better resolution vs. the Z1U, and I like the tapeless editing aspect. If I had the money for the EX1, I would buy it over the Z1U. But, I do use a couple of Z1U's for my business. The only thing I don't like is that it is not very good in low light, and the LCD can give a false image preview. There have been many times when I shoot video, and the video in the editing suite winds up being to light, or too dark...very frustrating!

December 9th, 2007, 03:10 AM	#7
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Thanks for the advice people, I'm going ahead this week so looking forward to the learning cruve with this cam. Cheers Simon

December 10th, 2007, 01:23 AM	#9
Jeff Heywood Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 41	If you've got lots of action, water, outdoors and motion, stay away from the Z1U. It's very easy to overload the codec. We do a lot of shooting on the water and of the water. Those sort of situations give the Z1U fits and you get tons of compression artifacts. For static interviews, weddings etc. I'm sure it's fine. Other wise, stay very far away.

December 10th, 2007, 11:23 PM	#14
Greg Laves Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 640	Forgive my ignorance but I am a rookie at HDV and considering various cameras at this time, myself. But what should I be looking for with codec issues with HDV? I have only had a couple of opportunities to play with a FX-1 and a V1U but I did not notice any issues when recording the Blue Angels with the V1U. Nor did I notice any codec issues when recording motorcycle road races. Both are pretty fast moving subjects. Plus, several have mentioned issues with shooting water. I know that Discovery Channel used 50 Z1U's when filming "Worlds Deadliest Catch" which obviously has lots of water in the shots. What did they do to overcome the codec issues?

December 10th, 2007, 11:33 PM	#15
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Well I have done the deed and got the Sony Z1, now I can stop talking to myself ABOUT THIS CAM,THAT CAM. One thing is its a lot bigger than my PD170 BUT THATS COOL. This is what I got. Sony Z1 Millier DS10 tripod Couple NPF970's Battery Pack Rode Deadcat Sony Lead Light HVLLBP Rode Condensor Mic NTG-1 Sony Lavalalier Wireless Mic System And I still have the old PD170 for backup, SD 4.3 stuff. Now how do I turn this on............ Cheers Simon