Some questions about a new shoot I am gonna do. at DVinfo.net

James Brill · November 12th, 2007, 02:58 PM

i usually shoot with the settings at the top of the forum for film which includes using cineframe 30. I am going to be doing a rap music video this weekend and was wondering if I should still use cineframe if I plan on doing a good bit of slow motion in post. In the past I dropped cineframe footage in a 60i timeline but I realize this was not the smartest thing since cineframe kinda de-interlaces it (right?). So my guess is that it would be easier to get good slow mo with interlaced footage and the shutter speed set to 1/120. I also plan to do most of the slow motion in final cut pro 6 instead of after effects 7 since my after effects doesn't seem to like hdv material. I have the Fields kit deinterlacer also to help if I do shoot without cineframe on.

Ervin Farkas · November 13th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Correct, you should drop CineFrame as it throws away one field and doubles the other one; interlaced will give you a lot more spacial resolution.

James Brill · November 13th, 2007, 03:19 PM

alright so drop the cineframe but what about shutter speed?

Stick Tully · November 13th, 2007, 04:17 PM

for slow motion you'll be best to turn up the shutter speed as high as you can. i shot a rap video on my fx1 at 215 and working with hdv + after effects' frame blending got some really good results

heres the video, although the slow mo shots got cut in the end the high shutter speed was a must for all of the motion tracking

http://www.tullyvision.net/blog/videos/faker-breaker/

best of luck with the shoot

Stick

Simon Denny · December 14th, 2007, 01:41 AM

Hey Stick,
Really liked your videos. Was that a green screen in Faker Breaker or white background? could you tell a bit more about this?

Cheers
Simon

Stick Tully · December 15th, 2007, 01:15 PM

Thanks very much Simon

That video was shot with no budget in a school hall using a white sheet as the background. Unfortunately the lights had a blue tint which made the sheet blue and i actually ended up having a bit of a nightmare keying it all out. You can see some blue on the side of his face & neck in a few of the shots. For a proper white infinity you need A LOT of light. If you use zebra stripes i think its best to completely blow out/overexpose the background and ensure your subject is lit separately at the correct exposure.

You can also see the video in 720p here (as long as you have the Divx web player installed)

http://www.stage6.com/user/tullyvisi...r-Breaker-720p

Hope that helps, any more questions feel free to get in touch - this board has been good to me, be nice to give something back :)

+ I'll have some more recent work up soon on a new website :)

November 12th, 2007, 02:58 PM	#1
James Brill Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Goleta, CA Posts: 299	Some questions about a new shoot I am gonna do. i usually shoot with the settings at the top of the forum for film which includes using cineframe 30. I am going to be doing a rap music video this weekend and was wondering if I should still use cineframe if I plan on doing a good bit of slow motion in post. In the past I dropped cineframe footage in a 60i timeline but I realize this was not the smartest thing since cineframe kinda de-interlaces it (right?). So my guess is that it would be easier to get good slow mo with interlaced footage and the shutter speed set to 1/120. I also plan to do most of the slow motion in final cut pro 6 instead of after effects 7 since my after effects doesn't seem to like hdv material. I have the Fields kit deinterlacer also to help if I do shoot without cineframe on.

November 13th, 2007, 03:16 PM	#2
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Correct, you should drop CineFrame as it throws away one field and doubles the other one; interlaced will give you a lot more spacial resolution. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

November 13th, 2007, 03:19 PM	#3
James Brill Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Goleta, CA Posts: 299	alright so drop the cineframe but what about shutter speed?

November 13th, 2007, 04:17 PM	#4
Stick Tully Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 92	for slow motion you'll be best to turn up the shutter speed as high as you can. i shot a rap video on my fx1 at 215 and working with hdv + after effects' frame blending got some really good results heres the video, although the slow mo shots got cut in the end the high shutter speed was a must for all of the motion tracking http://www.tullyvision.net/blog/videos/faker-breaker/ best of luck with the shoot Stick

December 14th, 2007, 01:41 AM	#5
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Hey Stick, Really liked your videos. Was that a green screen in Faker Breaker or white background? could you tell a bit more about this? Cheers Simon

December 15th, 2007, 01:15 PM	#6
Stick Tully Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 92	Thanks very much Simon That video was shot with no budget in a school hall using a white sheet as the background. Unfortunately the lights had a blue tint which made the sheet blue and i actually ended up having a bit of a nightmare keying it all out. You can see some blue on the side of his face & neck in a few of the shots. For a proper white infinity you need A LOT of light. If you use zebra stripes i think its best to completely blow out/overexpose the background and ensure your subject is lit separately at the correct exposure. You can also see the video in 720p here (as long as you have the Divx web player installed) http://www.stage6.com/user/tullyvisi...r-Breaker-720p Hope that helps, any more questions feel free to get in touch - this board has been good to me, be nice to give something back :) + I'll have some more recent work up soon on a new website :)