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Lizi Hesling · February 4th, 2007, 12:29 AM

Hey guys...

I was reading the Sony V1E review from Nigel Cooper on dvuser.co.uk, and it seems the camera uses "Sony’s EIP (Enhanced Imaging Processor), which is used to process the recorded signals at 1920x1080p 4:2:2." Is there any way to capture this straight from the camera onto a hard-drive? The camera is capable of recording straight onto a hard-drive, right? I can't remember where I read this, but I'm sure I have read it. This is probably a dumb question, so I'm sorry to have to ask it...

On another issue: I know there have been lots of discussions about progressive and interlaced, but could someone do a short refresher for me? I live in a PAL area, so I'd have the choice of 24p, 25p, and 50i if I bought a V1. What do people like about 50i? Under what shooting circumstances is it best to use 50i? Ditto RE 24p and 25p... Given the supposed problems with progressive mode on the V1, would I be advised to just forget about p and stick with i?

I like Nigel's review, but he seems to be a bit of a Sony fan, and he doesn't use Canon cameras that much... could anyone recommend a review of the Canon A1 from a Canon fan?

Like many people here, I'm trying to chose between the V1 and the A1. Having read through a lot of threads on this site, one interesting observation I've made is that a lot of Sony fans are looking at the A1, but very few Canon fans are looking at the V1...

Best wishes - Lizi

Bob Grant · February 4th, 2007, 05:17 AM

The V1E/P only gives you the choice of 25p or 50i, no 24p. If you want that range of options you need to look at the Canon, with an extra mod.
The HDD recording you're most likely thinking of is the DRU60, only HDV. You could record from the HDMI output directly to HDD via the BMD Intensity card at 4:2:2. That setup might cost more than the camera.

50i is standard PAL, certainly better than 25p for anything fast moving like sports.

Lizi Hesling · February 4th, 2007, 08:44 AM

Thanks Bob. Glad to know I wasn't dreaming about the HDD... although I was obviously dreaming about 24p... makes sense though, 24 and 25 being so close together.

For people (as opposed to animal) orientated documentary work - fly on the wall, lots of different arenas of action, fast changes in pace, lighting, sound space, etc. - what would you recommend? The V1 filming in 50i?

Steve Mullen · February 4th, 2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizi Hesling

For people (as opposed to animal) orientated documentary work - fly on the wall, lots of different arenas of action - what would you recommend? The V1 filming in 50i?

Definitely 50i. Not only does 50i eliminate "motion judder" (a nasty artifact of 24p/25p) you can edit in any NLE. Right now only Vegas supports 24p/25p.

Piotr Wozniacki · February 4th, 2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

Definitely 50i. Not only does 50i eliminate "motion judder" (a nasty artifact of 24p/25p) you can edit in any NLE. Right now only Vegas supports 24p/25p.

You forgot Premiere and Edius, Steve.

Zsolt Gordos · February 4th, 2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Grant

You could record from the HDMI output directly to HDD via the BMD Intensity card at 4:2:2. That setup might cost more than the camera.

Bob, I am not sure I can share your opinion on the costs. The setup above requires the Intensiy card (cheapest in the BMD line, $249) and a RAID setup.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

It should not be more expensive than the cam, if you have an e-SATA card for the RAID.
Unfortunately the Intensity comes only in PCI-e flavor, so I can't use it with my G5. But I have all the rest for the described setup and the price was quite OK, it varies according to the hard drives you use.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 4th, 2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

You forgot Premiere and Edius, Steve.

Neither of those apps have full support for 24pGOP at this time.

Piotr Wozniacki · February 4th, 2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

Neither of those apps have full support for 24pGOP at this time.

I understood we're talking 25p, Douglas.

February 4th, 2007, 12:29 AM	#1
Lizi Hesling Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 40	hard drive capabilities? Hey guys... I was reading the Sony V1E review from Nigel Cooper on dvuser.co.uk, and it seems the camera uses "Sony’s EIP (Enhanced Imaging Processor), which is used to process the recorded signals at 1920x1080p 4:2:2." Is there any way to capture this straight from the camera onto a hard-drive? The camera is capable of recording straight onto a hard-drive, right? I can't remember where I read this, but I'm sure I have read it. This is probably a dumb question, so I'm sorry to have to ask it... On another issue: I know there have been lots of discussions about progressive and interlaced, but could someone do a short refresher for me? I live in a PAL area, so I'd have the choice of 24p, 25p, and 50i if I bought a V1. What do people like about 50i? Under what shooting circumstances is it best to use 50i? Ditto RE 24p and 25p... Given the supposed problems with progressive mode on the V1, would I be advised to just forget about p and stick with i? I like Nigel's review, but he seems to be a bit of a Sony fan, and he doesn't use Canon cameras that much... could anyone recommend a review of the Canon A1 from a Canon fan? Like many people here, I'm trying to chose between the V1 and the A1. Having read through a lot of threads on this site, one interesting observation I've made is that a lot of Sony fans are looking at the A1, but very few Canon fans are looking at the V1... Best wishes - Lizi

February 4th, 2007, 05:17 AM	#2
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	The V1E/P only gives you the choice of 25p or 50i, no 24p. If you want that range of options you need to look at the Canon, with an extra mod. The HDD recording you're most likely thinking of is the DRU60, only HDV. You could record from the HDMI output directly to HDD via the BMD Intensity card at 4:2:2. That setup might cost more than the camera. 50i is standard PAL, certainly better than 25p for anything fast moving like sports.

February 4th, 2007, 08:44 AM	#3
Lizi Hesling Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 40	Thanks Bob. Glad to know I wasn't dreaming about the HDD... although I was obviously dreaming about 24p... makes sense though, 24 and 25 being so close together. For people (as opposed to animal) orientated documentary work - fly on the wall, lots of different arenas of action, fast changes in pace, lighting, sound space, etc. - what would you recommend? The V1 filming in 50i?