V1 25p issues (combined threads)

Scott Webster · December 13th, 2006, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

I'm a little confused with your reply here.

heath

Originally Posted by Tony Tremble
Answers on a postcard, please!

Probably got lost in translation Heath. It's British and antipodean humor. Older game or variety TV, radio shows or newspapers would invite viewers/listeners/readers to win a prize by sending answers in, on a postcard or the back of an envelope.

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Tony Tremble · December 13th, 2006, 02:17 PM

Good luck with the Doco.

I've never been to Takuu Island but have travelled (backpacked) through the South Pacific Island hopping. I hope I can return someday with a camera like this V1 or its successor. Bora Bora and Aitutaki lagoons....awe....the colours...:)

ATB

TT

Heath McKnight · December 13th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Webster

Originally Posted by Tony Tremble
Answers on a postcard, please!

Probably got lost in translation Heath. It's British and antipodean humor. Older game or variety TV, radio shows or newspapers would invite viewers/listeners/readers to win a prize by sending answers in, on a postcard or the back of an envelope.

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Ahhh, gotcha. I may have Scottish and English blood in me, but I'm a bit too American to have caught that! Thanks!!

heath

Tony Tremble · December 13th, 2006, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

Ahhh, gotcha. I may have Scottish and English blood in me, but I'm a bit too American to have caught that! Thanks!!

heath

Sorry, Heath I though that was a universal phrase. :)

TT

Chris Barcellos · December 13th, 2006, 03:36 PM

Tony:

Out of curiosity ( and I confess I came in late on this one and may have missed it in the read of the thread) I am wondering if the live and taped output you are viewing that demonstrates the problem is being delivered to your monitor via firewire, or component output and if a difference will occur.

Tony Tremble · December 13th, 2006, 04:36 PM

Chris

Live component output to monitor is affected. As I said as soon as one selects 25P the damage is done whether you are recording to tape or not.

Everyone who has been made aware of the situation and has seen the oil paint effect all unanimously agree that is not fit for purpose. Not timeframe for a fix but Sony do have a good rep for sorting things.

TT

Zsolt Gordos · December 14th, 2006, 11:37 AM

Hi Tony,

any update from Sony UK?

Tony Tremble · December 14th, 2006, 12:57 PM

No Zsolt.

This is in the hands of Sony Japan now. A priority situation at Sony I'm lead to believe.

Any news I get I will pass on. I am absolutely confident this will be resolved to the satisfaction of all of us.

I am looking forward to the weather improving here in the UK to go shoot some stuff and upload so you guys can see what a dream of a camera this is.

Keep the faith...

TT

Peter Sieben · December 15th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Hi guys,
I had the chance to shoot some 25P footage with the Z1 PAL camera this afternoon. A bunch of screenshots are online at www.orphicfilm.nl/html/v125p.html . My first impression is mixed. The footage looks okay and large with enough detail, but it isn't very crisp. It seems to contain noise, the light situation wasn't optimal but it wasn't bad either (at around 4 PM at the beach with a rather clear sky). There is also something odd going on with the footage, checkout the 3rd and 6th picture (the silver lines around the windows of the passing car, and the benches): the color/image-details look a bit strange. Is this the paint issue some people mentioned on another thread?
Looking forward to some feedback. Remember, this was a quick test with not very much knowledge of the camera settings.

Scott Webster · December 15th, 2006, 02:34 PM

Peter,

Those shots look dreadful. They seem, to me anyway, worse than anything I've seen from Tony or Simon's previous examples. The 4th shot in particular, of the low brick wall, is just a mess.

Tony would be best to comment as he has had experience with the 'oil paint effect'

Tim Le · December 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM

I agree, these are horrible. There is definitely something wrong with that unit. Even Mikko's IBC trade show footage of the V1E at 25P looked nothing like this.

Tony Tremble · December 15th, 2006, 03:57 PM

I think we can safely say there has been a huge problem somewhere. How it happened we'll never know but we should all have faith that it'll be fixed in one way or another.

I am still having fun with 50i and look forward to a fully functioning 25P as and when.

TT

I hope they don't decide to charge us more for having a built in "impressionist filter."

Marcus Marchesseault · December 15th, 2006, 04:19 PM

Those images look more like the gain was set high instead of the "watercolor" look shown before.

Peter Sieben · December 15th, 2006, 04:33 PM

I don't think the Gain was activated on the camera, as shooting outside at the end of the afternoon felt like the automatic exposure was not very 'enhanced/pushed', it was natural as I would expect it comparing with the light situation. But I can't tell for 100%.

CMOS sensors are less sensitive, am I right? And the size of them (1/4 inch) must also have influence on it's lesser sensitivity? Any insights from the technical side?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · December 15th, 2006, 04:56 PM

You could easily have your iris set to compensate for exposure by adding gain. You *must* go into the menu settings and disable shutter priority and/or gain priority in the camera straight out of the box.

December 13th, 2006, 03:36 PM	#110
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Tony: Out of curiosity ( and I confess I came in late on this one and may have missed it in the read of the thread) I am wondering if the live and taped output you are viewing that demonstrates the problem is being delivered to your monitor via firewire, or component output and if a difference will occur. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

December 15th, 2006, 02:21 PM	#114
Peter Sieben Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 345	25P V1 PAL screenshots Hi guys, I had the chance to shoot some 25P footage with the Z1 PAL camera this afternoon. A bunch of screenshots are online at www.orphicfilm.nl/html/v125p.html . My first impression is mixed. The footage looks okay and large with enough detail, but it isn't very crisp. It seems to contain noise, the light situation wasn't optimal but it wasn't bad either (at around 4 PM at the beach with a rather clear sky). There is also something odd going on with the footage, checkout the 3rd and 6th picture (the silver lines around the windows of the passing car, and the benches): the color/image-details look a bit strange. Is this the paint issue some people mentioned on another thread? Looking forward to some feedback. Remember, this was a quick test with not very much knowledge of the camera settings. __________________ Peter / Orphic Film www.orphicfilm.nl and www.myspace.com/orphicfilm Last edited by Peter Sieben; December 15th, 2006 at 04:11 PM.

December 15th, 2006, 04:33 PM	#119
Peter Sieben Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 345	I don't think the Gain was activated on the camera, as shooting outside at the end of the afternoon felt like the automatic exposure was not very 'enhanced/pushed', it was natural as I would expect it comparing with the light situation. But I can't tell for 100%. CMOS sensors are less sensitive, am I right? And the size of them (1/4 inch) must also have influence on it's lesser sensitivity? Any insights from the technical side? __________________ Peter / Orphic Film www.orphicfilm.nl and www.myspace.com/orphicfilm

December 15th, 2006, 04:56 PM	#120
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	You could easily have your iris set to compensate for exposure by adding gain. You must go into the menu settings and disable shutter priority and/or gain priority in the camera straight out of the box. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

December 13th, 2006, 02:17 PM	#107
Tony Tremble Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 451	Good luck with the Doco. I've never been to Takuu Island but have travelled (backpacked) through the South Pacific Island hopping. I hope I can return someday with a camera like this V1 or its successor. Bora Bora and Aitutaki lagoons....awe....the colours...:) ATB TT

December 13th, 2006, 04:36 PM	#111
Tony Tremble Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 451	Chris Live component output to monitor is affected. As I said as soon as one selects 25P the damage is done whether you are recording to tape or not. Everyone who has been made aware of the situation and has seen the oil paint effect all unanimously agree that is not fit for purpose. Not timeframe for a fix but Sony do have a good rep for sorting things. TT

December 14th, 2006, 11:37 AM	#112
Zsolt Gordos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 414	Hi Tony, any update from Sony UK?

December 14th, 2006, 12:57 PM	#113
Tony Tremble Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 451	No Zsolt. This is in the hands of Sony Japan now. A priority situation at Sony I'm lead to believe. Any news I get I will pass on. I am absolutely confident this will be resolved to the satisfaction of all of us. I am looking forward to the weather improving here in the UK to go shoot some stuff and upload so you guys can see what a dream of a camera this is. Keep the faith... TT

December 15th, 2006, 02:34 PM	#115
Scott Webster Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 136	Peter, Those shots look dreadful. They seem, to me anyway, worse than anything I've seen from Tony or Simon's previous examples. The 4th shot in particular, of the low brick wall, is just a mess. Tony would be best to comment as he has had experience with the 'oil paint effect'

December 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM	#116
Tim Le Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 350	I agree, these are horrible. There is definitely something wrong with that unit. Even Mikko's IBC trade show footage of the V1E at 25P looked nothing like this.

December 15th, 2006, 03:57 PM	#117
Tony Tremble Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 451	I think we can safely say there has been a huge problem somewhere. How it happened we'll never know but we should all have faith that it'll be fixed in one way or another. I am still having fun with 50i and look forward to a fully functioning 25P as and when. TT I hope they don't decide to charge us more for having a built in "impressionist filter."

December 15th, 2006, 04:19 PM	#118
Marcus Marchesseault Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,961	Those images look more like the gain was set high instead of the "watercolor" look shown before.