V1 25p issues (combined threads)

Robert Ducon · December 17th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Okay, you've all spoken. I don't recall having seen definitive evidence, but no negative reports have come in, and Douglas, I know you've tested the cameras. I stand corrected. I'm glad the V1U is probably fine - curious how the "E" version could be so wonky.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · December 17th, 2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Ducon

Okay, you've all spoken. I don't recall having seen definitive evidence, but no negative reports have come in, and Douglas, I know you've tested the cameras. I stand corrected. I'm glad the V1U is probably fine - curious how the "E" version could be so wonky.

Completely different clock times could affect a number of parameters. Could have been a faulty bit of code in the 50i version. Could be a bad chipset, could be a lot of things, but Sony have been made aware of the issue, and I'm sure we'll hear something soon.

Brian Ladue · December 17th, 2006, 04:59 PM

So.... the V1U (24p - US/Can) Camera should not have been effected by this early flaw?

Zsolt Gordos · December 17th, 2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Ladue

So.... the V1U (24p - US/Can) Camera should not have been effected by this early flaw?

So far no US shots are available - only those taken with pre-production models. All the V1E shots contain the "oil painting" effect.

It would be cool to see some pictures taken with the US production units.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · December 17th, 2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Ladue

So.... the V1U (24p - US/Can) Camera should not have been effected by this early flaw?

I would think not. Simon Wyndham identified this in the E models during preproduction and let Sony know. I couldn't assume what took place once they were notified. The U models never exhibited this in preproduction, so I wouldn't think it has changed. Haven't gotten a production unit yet, so can't comment with any level of surety, but I seriously can't imagine that this would have been induced in later models. I don't know the product manager for Europe, but I do know the product manager for the US. He's not just a "Sony guy" but is a shooter and knows his stuff, and has been very hands-on with the camcorder since the very first models arrived in the USA. He nearly took my head off for skydiving with a pre-production model, simply because they didn't yet know if all the parts were secured yet. There were several various stages of pre-production models sent to the US late summer, and not one of them had this behavior. We shot an entire DVD or two with this cam as well, using a wide variety of settings. It would have shown up, I'm sure.
there are now people getting V1's in the US, so I'm equally sure we'll see images posting heavily in the next few days, coming from production units. I'll be very surprised if we see any evidence of this.

Joe Lawry · December 17th, 2006, 08:43 PM

The first major shipment of V1p's will hopefully be arrive on the 20th here. I spoke with one of my local retailers here and informed him about the issues in the E models. He is going to check out his P's as soon as they come in the door. I'll be there in to check it out asap. If the issue is present in the P model then it could be a 50i issue. However from the pictures we saw previous in this thread of the first P in NZ it could well be fine.

Todd Giglio · December 17th, 2006, 11:01 PM

I just got my shipment notification from B&H. I should be getting it (V1U) by Wed. so I'll try out the 24p and see if I can post anything by Thursday (of course with the hoiday around the corner, and my two boys being sick... who knows).

I do know that I can't wait to try out this camera! I plan on using it with my M2 (35mm adapter), and I'll also try to post clips of this too.

Todd

Douglas Spotted Eagle · December 17th, 2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Lawry

The first major shipment of V1p's will hopefully be arrive on the 20th here. I spoke with one of my local retailers here and informed him about the issues in the E models. He is going to check out his P's as soon as they come in the door. I'll be there in to check it out asap. If the issue is present in the P model then it could be a 50i issue. However from the pictures we saw previous in this thread of the first P in NZ it could well be fine.

FWIW, I just went through about half an hour of footage I shot with a P model when in Sydney/Melbourne last month, with 25p. No problems that I can find, and I got some nice shots at max latitude at Circle Quay at sunset, bridge and opera house in the shot along with everything else.

Bob Grant · December 18th, 2006, 02:03 AM

We've only just been notified by our Sony dealer that our first V1E has arrived.
He's also advised that he's been firmly told not to let it out of his sight, to not even open the box. Remarkably they seemed a tad surprised when we said we know why, obviously some Sony dealers haven't quite caught up with where the world has gone the last decade.

Robert Ducon · December 18th, 2006, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Grant

We've only just been notified by our Sony dealer that our first V1E has arrived.
He's also advised that he's been firmly told not to let it out of his sight, to not even open the box. Remarkably they seemed a tad surprised when we said we know why, obviously some Sony dealers haven't quite caught up with where the world has gone the last decade.

That made me chuckle. I wonder how long till the firmware patch/press release. No use in forecasting, just saying, it'll have to be only a matter of time.

Tony Tremble · December 18th, 2006, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Giglio

I just got my shipment notification from B&H. I should be getting it (V1U) by Wed. so I'll try out the 24p and see if I can post anything by Thursday (of course with the hoiday around the corner, and my two boys being sick... who knows).

I do know that I can't wait to try out this camera! I plan on using it with my M2 (35mm adapter), and I'll also try to post clips of this too.

Todd

I think the camera will be a huge hit with 35mm adapter owners. Combined with true progressive and HDMI capture this camera can seriously punch above its weight...

TT

Dominic Jones · December 18th, 2006, 02:57 PM

So, just out of interest, anyone else thinking that these "watercolour" V1's are gonna be worth a fortune to some lo-fi music video director in about 10 years, ala the Pixelvision?!

I gotta say I'm quite interested in seeing/playing with that watercolour "effect" - I've never seen anything like it... What's it like on, say, a busy street full of people?

Dominic Jones · December 18th, 2006, 02:59 PM

Oh, and totally agree Tony, as I mentioned in another post - can't wait to get one on the back of my M2...

Thomas Smet · December 18th, 2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Jones

So, just out of interest, anyone else thinking that these "watercolour" V1's are gonna be worth a fortune to some lo-fi music video director in about 10 years, ala the Pixelvision?!

I gotta say I'm quite interested in seeing/playing with that watercolour "effect" - I've never seen anything like it... What's it like on, say, a busy street full of people?

Hey it sure beats rendering that sort of effect as HD. Imagine creating 60 minutes of HD with that sort of an artsy look in only 60 minutes.

Kind of like Baseball cards that would have huge errors that would make them worth a lot more money because of the rare error. Back in my day everybody wished they would get one of these cards not only because it was cool but because it was worth a lot of money.

It would be cool if SONY could leave this problem in the camera as a menu option sort of like the old cheesy mosaic and sepia modes on cheap consumer cameras.

Dominic Jones · December 18th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Lol, yeah - instant post-production!

It would be cool if the "mode" could be kept as an option - like you say, it's not gonna get a *whole* lot of use, but you never know and it would be a neat in-joke...

So, you listening Sony?

December 17th, 2006, 04:48 PM	#166
Robert Ducon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 400	Okay, you've all spoken. I don't recall having seen definitive evidence, but no negative reports have come in, and Douglas, I know you've tested the cameras. I stand corrected. I'm glad the V1U is probably fine - curious how the "E" version could be so wonky.

December 17th, 2006, 04:59 PM	#168
Brian Ladue Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 149	So.... the V1U (24p - US/Can) Camera should not have been effected by this early flaw?

December 17th, 2006, 08:43 PM	#171
Joe Lawry Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 418	The first major shipment of V1p's will hopefully be arrive on the 20th here. I spoke with one of my local retailers here and informed him about the issues in the E models. He is going to check out his P's as soon as they come in the door. I'll be there in to check it out asap. If the issue is present in the P model then it could be a 50i issue. However from the pictures we saw previous in this thread of the first P in NZ it could well be fine.

December 17th, 2006, 11:01 PM	#172
Todd Giglio Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 265	I just got my shipment notification from B&H. I should be getting it (V1U) by Wed. so I'll try out the 24p and see if I can post anything by Thursday (of course with the hoiday around the corner, and my two boys being sick... who knows). I do know that I can't wait to try out this camera! I plan on using it with my M2 (35mm adapter), and I'll also try to post clips of this too. Todd

December 18th, 2006, 02:03 AM	#174
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	We've only just been notified by our Sony dealer that our first V1E has arrived. He's also advised that he's been firmly told not to let it out of his sight, to not even open the box. Remarkably they seemed a tad surprised when we said we know why, obviously some Sony dealers haven't quite caught up with where the world has gone the last decade.

December 18th, 2006, 02:57 PM	#177
Dominic Jones Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 225	So, just out of interest, anyone else thinking that these "watercolour" V1's are gonna be worth a fortune to some lo-fi music video director in about 10 years, ala the Pixelvision?! I gotta say I'm quite interested in seeing/playing with that watercolour "effect" - I've never seen anything like it... What's it like on, say, a busy street full of people?

December 18th, 2006, 02:59 PM	#178
Dominic Jones Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 225	Oh, and totally agree Tony, as I mentioned in another post - can't wait to get one on the back of my M2...

December 18th, 2006, 05:07 PM	#180
Dominic Jones Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 225	Lol, yeah - instant post-production! It would be cool if the "mode" could be kept as an option - like you say, it's not gonna get a whole lot of use, but you never know and it would be a neat in-joke... So, you listening Sony?