Sample clips at DVinfo.net

Ron Chau · November 28th, 2006, 11:10 PM

I'm still learning how best to use the manual settings on this cam.

Here are a couple of sample clips for those interested.

These are raw m2t clips. Both shot in full auto, full 20x zoom.

1st is shot on a cloudy day, 2nd on an obviously sunny day.

Right click and "save target as" to download.

http://ronrosa.com/clip9.m2t

http://ronrosa.com/clip10.m2t

Tomer Stolz · November 29th, 2006, 04:07 AM

Thanks for the clips Ron,

Can you maybe post some samples of the camera in 24P mode?

Ron Chau · November 29th, 2006, 09:23 AM

Sorry, I have an FX7, no 24p.

Ing Poh Hii · November 29th, 2006, 12:13 PM

Hi All,

First thank you everyone here for sharing your knowledge and thought about these camcorder : ). I am one of the guy fencing on XHA1 & V1.

I have a little question about the second clip, as I have been told that CMOS has better dynamic range and contrast ratio. But you can easily see the detail of the neck of that bird has been badly wash out by bright white.

Is this the limitation of Sony CMOS ? Or we can never expect good contrast control under auto-mode ? Shall I expect no different in term of picture quality between FX7 and V1 if everything is put under AUTO ?

And do you know the contrast ratio of FX7/VI/XHA1 ?

Many thanks.

Ron Chau · November 29th, 2006, 02:01 PM

My guess, is the blow out could probably be eliminated with manual adjustments. If you look at the surroundings, there are a lot of dark colors and shades. The cam on auto probably balanced the whole scene and as a result the white on the bird got blown out.

When I get home I'll post a few more clips shot that day.

Pasty Jackson · November 29th, 2006, 03:28 PM

***IMPORTANT WORD OF WARNING***

Ok, everyone needs to be completely aware of the fact that if the user has any CineGamma settings enabled, it will completely destroy the dynamic range. It is meant to do so.

Ron, I'm of course not trying to be offensive to you, but it would be really helpful for viewers to know exactly what your settings were for these clips.

-Pasty

Ron Chau · November 29th, 2006, 05:04 PM

No offense taken. I am still learning how to use this cam.

Where is the CineGamma setting ? Is this still in affect in full auto mode ? Picture profiles were also set off.

Ron Chau · November 29th, 2006, 05:21 PM

Here is another clip. Same day, same place, same time, out of direct sunlight.

Right click and "save target as" to download

http://www.ronrosa.com/clip13.m2t

Dave Lammey · November 29th, 2006, 06:56 PM

What program are you guys using to view these clips?

Wes Vasher · November 29th, 2006, 07:00 PM

Great clips Ron. I ran Magic Bullet on Clip9 and it's stunning.

VLC is a free player for Windows/Mac and it should work.

Ron Chau · November 29th, 2006, 07:09 PM

Media Player Classic works better than VLC for me. I downloaded it free on CNET.

Stupid question, what is magic bullet ?

John Hewat · November 30th, 2006, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Chau

Media Player Classic works better than VLC for me. I downloaded it free on CNET.

Stupid question, what is magic bullet ?

Good question. I want to know whether Z1 + Magic Bullet is a better bet than a V1.

Also, Ron, that third clip (of the seagull) appears to have been taken on the beach.

Do you take any precautions to avoid sand/water/salt might get inside your camera?

Ing Poh Hii · November 30th, 2006, 06:16 AM

Thank you Ron for your third clip, it is pleasant picture although the contrast is a bit low and the white-balance doesn't seem very accurate (as you see the feather supposed to be white but it goes toward light blue).

Did you find out whether you have the Cinematone Gramma turn on when shooting those clips, just wonder whether the blow-out is caused by the Cinematone feature rather then the limitation of Sony CMOS under Auto mode.

Many thanks again.

Robert Batta · November 30th, 2006, 10:22 AM

links not work :(

Ron Chau · November 30th, 2006, 10:37 AM

Sorry, but over 600 hits downloading a 30+ mb file exceeded my monthly bandwidth. Wait until tomorrow, Dec. 1.

November 28th, 2006, 11:10 PM	#1
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Sample clips I'm still learning how best to use the manual settings on this cam. Here are a couple of sample clips for those interested. These are raw m2t clips. Both shot in full auto, full 20x zoom. 1st is shot on a cloudy day, 2nd on an obviously sunny day. Right click and "save target as" to download. http://ronrosa.com/clip9.m2t http://ronrosa.com/clip10.m2t

November 30th, 2006, 06:16 AM	#13
Ing Poh Hii Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kuching, Malaysia Posts: 104	Stupid question again.. Thank you Ron for your third clip, it is pleasant picture although the contrast is a bit low and the white-balance doesn't seem very accurate (as you see the feather supposed to be white but it goes toward light blue). Did you find out whether you have the Cinematone Gramma turn on when shooting those clips, just wonder whether the blow-out is caused by the Cinematone feature rather then the limitation of Sony CMOS under Auto mode. Many thanks again.

November 29th, 2006, 04:07 AM	#2
Tomer Stolz New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 13	Thanks for the clips Ron, Can you maybe post some samples of the camera in 24P mode?

November 29th, 2006, 09:23 AM	#3
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Sorry, I have an FX7, no 24p.

November 29th, 2006, 12:13 PM	#4
Ing Poh Hii Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kuching, Malaysia Posts: 104	Hi All, First thank you everyone here for sharing your knowledge and thought about these camcorder : ). I am one of the guy fencing on XHA1 & V1. I have a little question about the second clip, as I have been told that CMOS has better dynamic range and contrast ratio. But you can easily see the detail of the neck of that bird has been badly wash out by bright white. Is this the limitation of Sony CMOS ? Or we can never expect good contrast control under auto-mode ? Shall I expect no different in term of picture quality between FX7 and V1 if everything is put under AUTO ? And do you know the contrast ratio of FX7/VI/XHA1 ? Many thanks.

November 29th, 2006, 02:01 PM	#5
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	My guess, is the blow out could probably be eliminated with manual adjustments. If you look at the surroundings, there are a lot of dark colors and shades. The cam on auto probably balanced the whole scene and as a result the white on the bird got blown out. When I get home I'll post a few more clips shot that day.

November 29th, 2006, 03:28 PM	#6
Pasty Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 47	*IMPORTANT WORD OF WARNING* Ok, everyone needs to be completely aware of the fact that if the user has any CineGamma settings enabled, it will completely destroy the dynamic range. It is meant to do so. Ron, I'm of course not trying to be offensive to you, but it would be really helpful for viewers to know exactly what your settings were for these clips. -Pasty

November 29th, 2006, 05:04 PM	#7
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	No offense taken. I am still learning how to use this cam. Where is the CineGamma setting ? Is this still in affect in full auto mode ? Picture profiles were also set off.

November 29th, 2006, 05:21 PM	#8
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Here is another clip. Same day, same place, same time, out of direct sunlight. Right click and "save target as" to download http://www.ronrosa.com/clip13.m2t

November 29th, 2006, 06:56 PM	#9
Dave Lammey Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Simsbury, CT Posts: 247	What program are you guys using to view these clips?

November 29th, 2006, 07:00 PM	#10
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Great clips Ron. I ran Magic Bullet on Clip9 and it's stunning. VLC is a free player for Windows/Mac and it should work.

November 29th, 2006, 07:09 PM	#11
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Media Player Classic works better than VLC for me. I downloaded it free on CNET. Stupid question, what is magic bullet ?

November 30th, 2006, 10:22 AM	#14
Robert Batta Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hungary / Europe Posts: 128	links not work :(

November 30th, 2006, 10:37 AM	#15
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Sorry, but over 600 hits downloading a 30+ mb file exceeded my monthly bandwidth. Wait until tomorrow, Dec. 1.