no go with 24p in Liquid at DVinfo.net

Steve Mullen · October 17th, 2006, 12:22 AM

Although I can create a 1080/24p Sequence in Liquid -- it looks like there is no reverse pulldown function.

What I fear is that Avid will not implement reverse pulldown and claim anything to do with "24p/film" will only be supported by Xpress -- or worse only by the $5000 Composer.

Clearly, reverse pulldown must be done during playback. Will FCP really have support by December given their horrible history of 24p HDV support? Adobe seems a lost cause! So that leaves Vegas.

Now DSE may feel that's fine, but after using Liquid and now trying Vegas 7 -- I'm not sure that Vegas isn't as far behind multi-format, MPEG-2 editing as is FCP. Liquid is so far ahead! Plus, the single window editor seems too much like Avid's crippled single-monitor products. And, amazingly even though I can buy a Sony Bluray laptop -- Sony Vegas doesn't support it.

This isn't Sony camcorder division's fault, but it does indicate the NLE companies seem to be way behind the hardware we can buy. It's not like either HDV or Bluray are a surprise.

How can CineForm, Ulead, and Blackmagic do so much as such tiny companies, while Apple, Adobe, and Avid -- and yes Sony, run a year behind.

Sorry, but JVC's 24p and Sony's 24p are not rocket science! JVC is standard MPEG-2 and 2:3 pulldown is decades old.

/RANT

Kris Galuska · October 18th, 2006, 05:34 PM

thanks for checking.

October 17th, 2006, 12:22 AM	#1
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	no go with 24p in Liquid Although I can create a 1080/24p Sequence in Liquid -- it looks like there is no reverse pulldown function. What I fear is that Avid will not implement reverse pulldown and claim anything to do with "24p/film" will only be supported by Xpress -- or worse only by the $5000 Composer. Clearly, reverse pulldown must be done during playback. Will FCP really have support by December given their horrible history of 24p HDV support? Adobe seems a lost cause! So that leaves Vegas. Now DSE may feel that's fine, but after using Liquid and now trying Vegas 7 -- I'm not sure that Vegas isn't as far behind multi-format, MPEG-2 editing as is FCP. Liquid is so far ahead! Plus, the single window editor seems too much like Avid's crippled single-monitor products. And, amazingly even though I can buy a Sony Bluray laptop -- Sony Vegas doesn't support it. This isn't Sony camcorder division's fault, but it does indicate the NLE companies seem to be way behind the hardware we can buy. It's not like either HDV or Bluray are a surprise. How can CineForm, Ulead, and Blackmagic do so much as such tiny companies, while Apple, Adobe, and Avid -- and yes Sony, run a year behind. Sorry, but JVC's 24p and Sony's 24p are not rocket science! JVC is standard MPEG-2 and 2:3 pulldown is decades old. /RANT __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

October 18th, 2006, 05:34 PM	#2
Kris Galuska Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY, NY Posts: 59	thanks for checking.