Sony HvR V1E workflow & final cut at DVinfo.net

Luke Oliver · December 4th, 2008, 11:25 AM

I know there are numerous mind boggling threads about pull down and so on trying to capture a true progressive scan but does anyone have a simple workflow for shooting 25p ( i own the V1E not P) and editing on final cut pro 2, it seems i am always playing around trying to find the best setting and now i dont have a clue

i am all new to this so sorry

luke

at the moment i am capturing with HDV apple pro 422, and my sequence settings are HDV 1080i 50
is this right for a 25p picture???

regards
luke
(newbie)

Luke Oliver · January 4th, 2009, 01:16 PM

Is there anyone willing to contribute to this

kind regards
luke

Adam Gold · January 4th, 2009, 03:03 PM

You might have better luck on the Apple/Final Cut forums...

Lee Berger · January 5th, 2009, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke Oliver

at the moment i am capturing with HDV apple pro 422, and my sequence settings are HDV 1080i 50
is this right for a 25p picture???

That's correct. If you choose HDV-Apple ProRes 422 (in the Audio/Video Settings>Capture Presets Tab), FCP will automatically capture at the original source tape frame rate. Here's an article that explains. Its focus is on NTSC, but the premise applies to Pal as well.

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The author has included some Easy Setups, but the only difference between any of them is the Sequence Preset and the device control for Sony and Canon. You can make your own by editing his. I've done this and it works. Finally, even if your sequence settings are incorrect, you can let FCP Auto Conform the clips in a new sequence to match your captured media. Best of luck.

Luke Oliver · January 5th, 2009, 07:33 AM

thank u for the reply i have one more question if u have time

it seems my picture is always fuzzy after i capture with pro res and horizontal lines move thorugh with motion totally unwatchable. Its fine in the viewer but once i drop in into the sequence its goes all messed up. Why is this , no settings seem to correct this and ive tries them all

if i capture in apple intermediate codec and edit my sequence i apple pro res 422 1440x1280 25p this seems to work but i dont know why

Luke Oliver · January 5th, 2009, 07:43 AM

hello lee

i just compressed to a quick time movie with pro res 422 25p the footage with the lines moving across it and its seems to have cleared but i really dont know what these horizontal lines are on the sequence, surely they should not be there

sorry to ask so many questions,

Lee Berger · January 5th, 2009, 08:21 AM

Luke,
It sounds like your sequence settings don't match your clip settings. When you place a clip in the timeline does a green bar appear over the clip? If so your sequence and clip settings don't match. You have two choices, force it to render or use Auto Conform Sequence. I suggest the latter.

You can enable Auto Conform by going to your User Preferences Auto Conform is in the Editing Tab, bottom right. Set it to Ask. That way when you add a clip to a new sequence that doesn't match you'll get this message:

For best performance your sequence and External Video should be set to the format of the clips your are editing. Change sequence settings to match clip settings? Yes or No. Select Yes and your clip should match the Sequence Settings. Keep in mind that this only works with a new sequence that doesn't have clips already added. If the sequence matches your clips then you won't be asked to conform.

Possibly the reason your export looked good is that it was rendered in the export process.

Luke Oliver · January 5th, 2009, 08:23 AM

sorry lee last one, and what about using AIC to capture and editing on pro res timeline before exporting pro res, will AIC mess up the pro res quality or anything, seems to work better than capturing pro res

Lee Berger · January 5th, 2009, 08:32 AM

There's no benefit to capturing ProRes and editing AIC. Your best bet is to capture ProRes and edit in ProRes. I do it all the time with no problems. It's always best in FCP to edit in the same codec as you capture. Otherwise you have to render before output.

Did you check to see if your clip setting match your sequence settings? The fact that it looks good in the viewer and not the canvas is a great clue to your problem. The canvas always plays in the file's native codec and resolution. The viewer plays in the Sequence setting's codec and resolution.

Finally you could consider capturing in HDV and editing in HDV. That also works well if you set the Render Control Codec to Apple ProRes. That way your clips stay in economical HDV and your renders are saved in ProRes. It's the User Preferences, Render Control Tab.

Luke Oliver · January 5th, 2009, 08:51 AM

well im getting annoyed now, i filmed 25p, ive just captured apple pro res 422 my sequence is 422 25p, codec and render are 422 and even in the viewer i get a notable drop in resolution, just not as clear as it should be. Im worried now as i cant find a decent workflow

luke

Luke Oliver · January 5th, 2009, 08:55 AM

i hope i didn't get one of the faulty v1s with that oil paint effect thing.

Leslie Wand · January 6th, 2009, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke Oliver

i hope i didn't get one of the faulty v1s with that oil paint effect thing.

play tape direct from camera (lcd screen, or even better hdmi) to monitor. if you see problems then it's likely the camera. if you don't, then it's your workflow.

can't help anymore since i use vegas without any problems ;-)

leslie

December 4th, 2008, 11:25 AM	#1
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	Sony HvR V1E workflow & final cut I know there are numerous mind boggling threads about pull down and so on trying to capture a true progressive scan but does anyone have a simple workflow for shooting 25p ( i own the V1E not P) and editing on final cut pro 2, it seems i am always playing around trying to find the best setting and now i dont have a clue i am all new to this so sorry luke at the moment i am capturing with HDV apple pro 422, and my sequence settings are HDV 1080i 50 is this right for a 25p picture??? regards luke (newbie)

January 4th, 2009, 01:16 PM	#2
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	re Is there anyone willing to contribute to this kind regards luke

January 5th, 2009, 07:33 AM	#5
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	re thank u for the reply i have one more question if u have time it seems my picture is always fuzzy after i capture with pro res and horizontal lines move thorugh with motion totally unwatchable. Its fine in the viewer but once i drop in into the sequence its goes all messed up. Why is this , no settings seem to correct this and ive tries them all if i capture in apple intermediate codec and edit my sequence i apple pro res 422 1440x1280 25p this seems to work but i dont know why

January 5th, 2009, 07:43 AM	#6
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	re hello lee i just compressed to a quick time movie with pro res 422 25p the footage with the lines moving across it and its seems to have cleared but i really dont know what these horizontal lines are on the sequence, surely they should not be there sorry to ask so many questions,

January 5th, 2009, 08:21 AM	#7
Lee Berger Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 326	Luke, It sounds like your sequence settings don't match your clip settings. When you place a clip in the timeline does a green bar appear over the clip? If so your sequence and clip settings don't match. You have two choices, force it to render or use Auto Conform Sequence. I suggest the latter. You can enable Auto Conform by going to your User Preferences Auto Conform is in the Editing Tab, bottom right. Set it to Ask. That way when you add a clip to a new sequence that doesn't match you'll get this message: For best performance your sequence and External Video should be set to the format of the clips your are editing. Change sequence settings to match clip settings? Yes or No. Select Yes and your clip should match the Sequence Settings. Keep in mind that this only works with a new sequence that doesn't have clips already added. If the sequence matches your clips then you won't be asked to conform. Possibly the reason your export looked good is that it was rendered in the export process. __________________ www.leebergermedia.com

January 4th, 2009, 03:03 PM	#3
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	You might have better luck on the Apple/Final Cut forums...

January 5th, 2009, 08:23 AM	#8
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	re sorry lee last one, and what about using AIC to capture and editing on pro res timeline before exporting pro res, will AIC mess up the pro res quality or anything, seems to work better than capturing pro res

January 5th, 2009, 08:32 AM	#9
Lee Berger Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 326	There's no benefit to capturing ProRes and editing AIC. Your best bet is to capture ProRes and edit in ProRes. I do it all the time with no problems. It's always best in FCP to edit in the same codec as you capture. Otherwise you have to render before output. Did you check to see if your clip setting match your sequence settings? The fact that it looks good in the viewer and not the canvas is a great clue to your problem. The canvas always plays in the file's native codec and resolution. The viewer plays in the Sequence setting's codec and resolution. Finally you could consider capturing in HDV and editing in HDV. That also works well if you set the Render Control Codec to Apple ProRes. That way your clips stay in economical HDV and your renders are saved in ProRes. It's the User Preferences, Render Control Tab. __________________ www.leebergermedia.com

January 5th, 2009, 08:51 AM	#10
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	re well im getting annoyed now, i filmed 25p, ive just captured apple pro res 422 my sequence is 422 25p, codec and render are 422 and even in the viewer i get a notable drop in resolution, just not as clear as it should be. Im worried now as i cant find a decent workflow luke

January 5th, 2009, 08:55 AM	#11
Luke Oliver Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Guernsey , Channel Islands Posts: 242	re i hope i didn't get one of the faulty v1s with that oil paint effect thing.