XLR Audio on FX7 ? at DVinfo.net

Kenneth Michiels · October 6th, 2008, 05:44 AM

Hola!

i've been using the sony fx7 for almost a year and i'm thinking of buying an shotgun mic for my next projects (mostly documentary).
Knowing that the fx7 has no XLR connection(s), which audiokit would you guys recommand?

Would an xlr to 1/8" adapter with a directional mic do the trick? Will the quality be good enough? What about the powering? Phantom or battery? Which microphone would be best for documentary shooting? Is it mountable on the fx7?

All experiences and tips are welcome.

Kenneth

Tom Hardwick · October 6th, 2008, 06:12 AM

Sounds like you could use a Beachtek bolt-on. Go here and watch the little video as it explains a lot:

BeachTek DXA-4 and DXA-4s Dual XLR Adapter

Once you have one of these long cable runs are no problem, you'll have independent level controls for both channels and it can be carried camera to camera.

You ask, 'Which microphone would be best for documentary shooting?' but that's a helluva wide question. Are you conducting interviews or filming Formula One?

tom.

Kenneth Michiels · October 6th, 2008, 06:29 AM

Mostly ambient sound and interviews :)

Thanks for the help so far!

Michael Liebergot · October 6th, 2008, 01:55 PM

Simple solution...Like suggested pickup an XLR adapter box and feed it through your cameras 1/8 mic port.

But, don't get the Beachtek...It's ok, but I would recommend picking up a Juicedlink CX211 (no phantom power) or CX231 (with phantom power).

Juicedlink XLR Adapter Boxes

The Beachteks are alright, but most of their units have passive pre amps (no pre amps). And as such the audio has more audio noise (hiss).

The Juicedlink boxes ALL have active low noise pre amps, and the difference is easy to hear, as the Beachtek boxes are much noisier.

While Beachtek does off an active pre amp box, it's much more expensive than the Juicedlink. And the quality difference is minimal to none.

Tom Hardwick · October 7th, 2008, 12:54 AM

'Ambient sound and interviews' would suggest that if you're a lone worker you'll need a short shotgun on camera feeding one channel and a radio mic plugged into the other channel, and this is a very useful combination.

I like my Sennheiser ME66 in its Rycote Softie as I can shoot in strong winds without trouble and the Rycote isolation mount locks down onto my cold shoe. I have the Sony and Sennheiser radio mics - both fine and incredibly useful and versatile.

But have a look at the Rode mics too - they're very good value and have had rave press reviews.

tom.

Max Volki · October 7th, 2008, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth Michiels

Hola!

i've been using the sony fx7 for almost a year and i'm thinking of buying an shotgun mic for my next projects (mostly documentary).
Knowing that the fx7 has no XLR connection(s), which audiokit would you guys recommand?

Would an xlr to 1/8" adapter with a directional mic do the trick? Will the quality be good enough? What about the powering? Phantom or battery? Which microphone would be best for documentary shooting? Is it mountable on the fx7?

All experiences and tips are welcome.

Kenneth

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Pietro Impagliazzo · October 7th, 2008, 04:11 PM

I use a Juiced Link CX231 with my FX7.

Best XLR to Mini adapter...
AWESOME pre amps.

Better than this only the highest end JL (CX471), that costs almost two times the price of the 231.

Michael Kraus · November 3rd, 2008, 09:22 PM

Does the xlr straight to 1/8 inch cord (such as the MIT-156) work well if the mic is battery powered?

Hosa Technology | MIT-156 Low to High Impedance | MIT-156 | B&H

Obviously you wouldn't have much control over the sound....but would it work alright?

Dave Eaton · November 11th, 2008, 02:32 PM

I've been thinking of getting a Zoom H4 as a Swiss Army Knife of sorts. It has a decent set of mics on it; X-Y cardioids angled that can be set to simulate the sound of a Shure SM57, Sennheiser MD-421, Neumann U 87, or AKG 414. It has XLR and 1/4" mic inputs with phantom power.

It's a digital recorder that can be plugged into the camera or as a backup audio capture. Something I like is that it'll work as a poor man's interference free wireless (sync in post), lav mic the speaker and stick the H4 in their pocket or wherever. You can use it to record voice/music or whatever and the camera to get the ambient sounds and sync in post. Seems like a nice alternative to me.

Seth Bloombaum · November 11th, 2008, 03:26 PM

I have a Zoom H4 and have used it a great deal, like it a lot.

Its internal timeclock doesn't seem to match my video cameras - it will be out a few frames over an hour. I do lots of event work, and am very able in Vegas to make a correction, this hasn't been a problem for me. It might be for you, depending on what NLE you use and if you are geeky enough. Note that this is not "timecode drift", the clock is stable; it is "timebase error" (now that's geeky). (a search of this forum will find a method to use the open-source "audacity" audio editor to make the correction externally to your nle)

Replication of different mic models - I think I'd rather lay things down straight and do efx work in post rather than record with an effect that will then be always and forever on that clip.

If using the internal mics (which are really quite good, considering price), the unit is very sensitive to handling noise.

Battery life, 3-5 hours on a pair of Costco AA batts, I ended up putting together an external NiMH pack out of parts from radio shack, about $30 in all, now I can record 20 hours or more on a charge, and it will backup to the internal batts.

Having said all above, I love my H4, it is the coolest little recorder and I've gotten lots of use out of it. It has a few issues that may or may not be a problem for you.

Dave Eaton · November 11th, 2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth Bloombaum

I have a Zoom H4 and have used it a great deal, like it a lot.

Thanks for replying. I'd read about people using them with excellent results elsewhere. Seriously bummed I didn't jump on one when Amazon had them for $155.

Read about the slight time change with long sessions and fixes for it as well. My stuff is usually quite short so I doubt I'd even notice. I thought one guy said he clapped at the beginning and again at the end and matched them that way. Will look it up if I ever have the problem. Then, using it to record to the camera would stop that from happening.

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Replication of different mic models - I think I'd rather lay things down straight and do efx work in post rather than record with an effect that will then be always and forever on that clip.

Never heard any of the mics it simulates, will have to experiment to see what I like/don't, but I agree with you on not having a bad original.

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If using the internal mics (which are really quite good, considering price), the unit is very sensitive to handling noise.

I figured I'd either have it in a fixed position or have a lav on people. Shouldn't be a problem -- famous last words.

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Battery life, 3-5 hours on a pair of Costco AA batts, I ended up putting together an external NiMH pack out of parts from radio shack, about $30 in all, now I can record 20 hours or more on a charge, and it will backup to the internal batts.

That was creative.

Quote:

Having said all above, I love my H4, it is the coolest little recorder and I've gotten lots of use out of it. It has a few issues that may or may not be a problem for you.

You have the latest update to it? It's on my short list. Thanks.

October 6th, 2008, 05:44 AM	#1
Kenneth Michiels New Boot Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NZ Posts: 9	XLR Audio on FX7 ? Hola! i've been using the sony fx7 for almost a year and i'm thinking of buying an shotgun mic for my next projects (mostly documentary). Knowing that the fx7 has no XLR connection(s), which audiokit would you guys recommand? Would an xlr to 1/8" adapter with a directional mic do the trick? Will the quality be good enough? What about the powering? Phantom or battery? Which microphone would be best for documentary shooting? Is it mountable on the fx7? All experiences and tips are welcome. Kenneth

October 6th, 2008, 01:55 PM	#4
Michael Liebergot Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,505	Simple solution...Like suggested pickup an XLR adapter box and feed it through your cameras 1/8 mic port. But, don't get the Beachtek...It's ok, but I would recommend picking up a Juicedlink CX211 (no phantom power) or CX231 (with phantom power). Juicedlink XLR Adapter Boxes The Beachteks are alright, but most of their units have passive pre amps (no pre amps). And as such the audio has more audio noise (hiss). The Juicedlink boxes ALL have active low noise pre amps, and the difference is easy to hear, as the Beachtek boxes are much noisier. While Beachtek does off an active pre amp box, it's much more expensive than the Juicedlink. And the quality difference is minimal to none. __________________ Michael www.lvpvideo.com

October 7th, 2008, 04:11 PM	#7
Pietro Impagliazzo Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rio de Janeiro, BR Posts: 170	I use a Juiced Link CX231 with my FX7. Best XLR to Mini adapter... AWESOME pre amps. Better than this only the highest end JL (CX471), that costs almost two times the price of the 231. __________________ Pietro Impagliazzo flickr.com/photos/impagliazzo

October 6th, 2008, 06:12 AM	#2
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Sounds like you could use a Beachtek bolt-on. Go here and watch the little video as it explains a lot: BeachTek DXA-4 and DXA-4s Dual XLR Adapter Once you have one of these long cable runs are no problem, you'll have independent level controls for both channels and it can be carried camera to camera. You ask, 'Which microphone would be best for documentary shooting?' but that's a helluva wide question. Are you conducting interviews or filming Formula One? tom.

October 6th, 2008, 06:29 AM	#3
Kenneth Michiels New Boot Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NZ Posts: 9	Mostly ambient sound and interviews :) Thanks for the help so far!

October 7th, 2008, 12:54 AM	#5
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	'Ambient sound and interviews' would suggest that if you're a lone worker you'll need a short shotgun on camera feeding one channel and a radio mic plugged into the other channel, and this is a very useful combination. I like my Sennheiser ME66 in its Rycote Softie as I can shoot in strong winds without trouble and the Rycote isolation mount locks down onto my cold shoe. I have the Sony and Sennheiser radio mics - both fine and incredibly useful and versatile. But have a look at the Rode mics too - they're very good value and have had rave press reviews. tom.

November 3rd, 2008, 09:22 PM	#8
Michael Kraus Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 232	Does the xlr straight to 1/8 inch cord (such as the MIT-156) work well if the mic is battery powered? Hosa Technology \| MIT-156 Low to High Impedance \| MIT-156 \| B&H Obviously you wouldn't have much control over the sound....but would it work alright?

November 11th, 2008, 02:32 PM	#9
Dave Eaton Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 234	I've been thinking of getting a Zoom H4 as a Swiss Army Knife of sorts. It has a decent set of mics on it; X-Y cardioids angled that can be set to simulate the sound of a Shure SM57, Sennheiser MD-421, Neumann U 87, or AKG 414. It has XLR and 1/4" mic inputs with phantom power. It's a digital recorder that can be plugged into the camera or as a backup audio capture. Something I like is that it'll work as a poor man's interference free wireless (sync in post), lav mic the speaker and stick the H4 in their pocket or wherever. You can use it to record voice/music or whatever and the camera to get the ambient sounds and sync in post. Seems like a nice alternative to me.

November 11th, 2008, 03:26 PM	#10
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	I have a Zoom H4 and have used it a great deal, like it a lot. Its internal timeclock doesn't seem to match my video cameras - it will be out a few frames over an hour. I do lots of event work, and am very able in Vegas to make a correction, this hasn't been a problem for me. It might be for you, depending on what NLE you use and if you are geeky enough. Note that this is not "timecode drift", the clock is stable; it is "timebase error" (now that's geeky). (a search of this forum will find a method to use the open-source "audacity" audio editor to make the correction externally to your nle) Replication of different mic models - I think I'd rather lay things down straight and do efx work in post rather than record with an effect that will then be always and forever on that clip. If using the internal mics (which are really quite good, considering price), the unit is very sensitive to handling noise. Battery life, 3-5 hours on a pair of Costco AA batts, I ended up putting together an external NiMH pack out of parts from radio shack, about $30 in all, now I can record 20 hours or more on a charge, and it will backup to the internal batts. Having said all above, I love my H4, it is the coolest little recorder and I've gotten lots of use out of it. It has a few issues that may or may not be a problem for you.