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Matt Williams · January 8th, 2008, 01:32 PM

I am on the fence about getting the FX-7 and want to know how you like yours? I am looking hear what you think about low light, set up, how it stands up to abuse? I am part owner of an outdoors video production company and we film in low light, cold temps. For hunting and then in bright light and on the water for fishing. I need a camera that will stand up to all we dish out and work ALL the time. We have 2 GL-2's and 1 Sony VX2100 and like them both! But it is time to move to HD

Thanks
Matt

John Gayman · January 9th, 2008, 03:41 PM

I'm in a somewhat similar boat (no pun intended). I'm curious what your delivery media is? Mine is primarily DVD and while I would love to start shooting everything in HD it's going to be quite a while before there are enough Blu-ray players in family rooms to even make it worth my while to author that format.

I thought about at least taking advantage of the 16:9 format but since DVD still needs to conform to a 720x480 frame it would seem that I'm loosing a bit of vertical resolution (16:9 SD would be 720x405).

Marco Wagner · January 9th, 2008, 03:44 PM

One advantage of HD is that you can shoot all HD, edit HD, then downres to SD. Later, when everything is cheap and stable - burn that project to HD without having to re-edit original footage...

Ethan Cooper · January 9th, 2008, 04:25 PM

If the majority of what you do is low light hunting stuff then this is probably the wrong camera for you. For now the best "affordable" HD camera for low light is the EX1 with it's 1/2" chips. The FX7 has 1/4" chips and can get pretty noisy. If you're editing on PC's maybe you could try the NeatVideo plugin to reduce some grain. I hear good things about it, but alas, I'm a FCP guy.
I've never used one myself, but I hear the XHA1 is slightly better in low light, but you need to get deep into the settings to pull some of that out.
Rent or borrow someone's gear if you can. It's always best to test for yourself before you buy. You may find that the FX7 is suitable for your needs. I can tell you from owning both that the FX7 isn't even close to the VX2000 for low light though. If you get one thinking it'll be comparable, you'll be disappointed.

In good light, the FX looks pretty freakin fantastic, but then again so does the HV20. Good luck.

Matt Williams · January 22nd, 2008, 08:24 AM

Thanks! I have someone who has a FX-7 and I will get the chance to try it out but I don't know anyone with the Canon. The EX1 is well out of my price range. Would love to have one!

Stelios Christofides · January 22nd, 2008, 03:04 PM

Matt, It depends what you mean by "low light". FX7 specs give it min. 4 lux that's really low light. I used it outdoors to film some wild animals in a S. Africa just after sunset and the pictures were great. But as Ethan suggested try it out and see. FX7 is a great camera for its price.

Stelios

Craig Irving · January 22nd, 2008, 03:24 PM

I agree, and if you must use gain...it's very clean on the FX7/V1U. At 3db and 6db it's barely noticeable to me.

I've shot concerts with it that have been dark and they've been great. Not much different than shooting with an FX1 or a Z1U in my opinion.

That said, I understand the PD150/170s were fantastic for low-light. Personally I'm willing to accept a setback in sensitivity to get HD.

January 8th, 2008, 01:32 PM	#1
Matt Williams Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hebron Ohio Posts: 41	What do you think? I am on the fence about getting the FX-7 and want to know how you like yours? I am looking hear what you think about low light, set up, how it stands up to abuse? I am part owner of an outdoors video production company and we film in low light, cold temps. For hunting and then in bright light and on the water for fishing. I need a camera that will stand up to all we dish out and work ALL the time. We have 2 GL-2's and 1 Sony VX2100 and like them both! But it is time to move to HD Thanks Matt

January 9th, 2008, 03:44 PM	#3
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	One advantage of HD is that you can shoot all HD, edit HD, then downres to SD. Later, when everything is cheap and stable - burn that project to HD without having to re-edit original footage... __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

January 9th, 2008, 04:25 PM	#4
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	If the majority of what you do is low light hunting stuff then this is probably the wrong camera for you. For now the best "affordable" HD camera for low light is the EX1 with it's 1/2" chips. The FX7 has 1/4" chips and can get pretty noisy. If you're editing on PC's maybe you could try the NeatVideo plugin to reduce some grain. I hear good things about it, but alas, I'm a FCP guy. I've never used one myself, but I hear the XHA1 is slightly better in low light, but you need to get deep into the settings to pull some of that out. Rent or borrow someone's gear if you can. It's always best to test for yourself before you buy. You may find that the FX7 is suitable for your needs. I can tell you from owning both that the FX7 isn't even close to the VX2000 for low light though. If you get one thinking it'll be comparable, you'll be disappointed. In good light, the FX looks pretty freakin fantastic, but then again so does the HV20. Good luck. __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

January 22nd, 2008, 03:04 PM	#6
Stelios Christofides Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nicosia, CYPRUS Posts: 1,080	Matt, It depends what you mean by "low light". FX7 specs give it min. 4 lux that's really low light. I used it outdoors to film some wild animals in a S. Africa just after sunset and the pictures were great. But as Ethan suggested try it out and see. FX7 is a great camera for its price. Stelios __________________ My Blog: http://steliosc.blogspot.com "I hope for nothing, I fear nothing, I am free" Nikos Kazantzakis

January 9th, 2008, 03:41 PM	#2
John Gayman Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 46	I'm in a somewhat similar boat (no pun intended). I'm curious what your delivery media is? Mine is primarily DVD and while I would love to start shooting everything in HD it's going to be quite a while before there are enough Blu-ray players in family rooms to even make it worth my while to author that format. I thought about at least taking advantage of the 16:9 format but since DVD still needs to conform to a 720x480 frame it would seem that I'm loosing a bit of vertical resolution (16:9 SD would be 720x405).

January 22nd, 2008, 08:24 AM	#5
Matt Williams Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hebron Ohio Posts: 41	Thanks! I have someone who has a FX-7 and I will get the chance to try it out but I don't know anyone with the Canon. The EX1 is well out of my price range. Would love to have one!

January 22nd, 2008, 03:24 PM	#7
Craig Irving Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 539	I agree, and if you must use gain...it's very clean on the FX7/V1U. At 3db and 6db it's barely noticeable to me. I've shot concerts with it that have been dark and they've been great. Not much different than shooting with an FX1 or a Z1U in my opinion. That said, I understand the PD150/170s were fantastic for low-light. Personally I'm willing to accept a setback in sensitivity to get HD.