White balance

Jon Braeley · December 19th, 2007, 08:02 AM

I recently shot 6 hours of footage in Beijing - interviews in small locations inside, large indoor sports arenas and outside shots in various lighting conditions from sunny to smog... the whole gamut. Overall, the footage is superb and I am happy for the first time out with the V1.

Yet, WB is the one control I ended up not touching - maybe I am not in command of this yet. On my previous cams I would select a white card, press the WB button to record it, then use this WB setting until I changed scene.

I've read the V1 manual ref WB, but still a little confused about manually setting the WB each time - yet sometimes auto WB is not quite right, as in the sports arena, where the wood floor makes everything look too warm. I know I can tweak the WB, but my question is, do you users make a WB manually and if so, how?
thanks everyone who reads this.

Svein Rune Skilnand · December 19th, 2007, 09:57 AM

I don`have my V1 anymore, but I found a quick an easy way to set WB. Especially when I was in a hurry.

Press the preset WB for outdoor and then you can adjust by scrolling the little wheel to give you the warmth or cool you like. Press the wheel when done.

Svein Rune

Ron Little · December 19th, 2007, 10:47 AM

Svein, just curious why did you get rid of your V1?

Tom Honey · December 19th, 2007, 12:07 PM

just set white balance to "a" or "B" the customisable settigns

hold your white card up then hold in the jog wheel till it sets.

Svein Rune Skilnand · December 19th, 2007, 04:37 PM

Ron.

First of. It was a great camera and gave excellent images. I found it to be better than the Z1 which I used to own.

There were several reasons why I sold the camera or rather why I sold both my V1s.

One was the OIS that gave me a lot of trouble. It ruined my footage and it took a month before I found out what was wrong. Several calls to my dealer and Sony gave no results, until one day when Sony finally admitted that the OIS was causing the problem. ( I never should have turned it on but bad habit I guess ).

Second the audio was very low and I had to turn the levels all the way up on an interview I did. I just couldn`t get the levels up. The room was quiet and I was sitting one meter away from my subject. And I have used this mic for 9 years with my XL1 and DVX100 and never experienced this. The mic is an AKG C 1000. Extremely frustrating.

Third I do a lot of events, concerts and such, and I normally hook up my camera to the sound board to record the audio. Whatever I did I couldn`t get the line- in working. I tried four different V1s and my supplier tried theirs as well. Same result. No audio. Switching it to mic- in I did get audio, but that leaves no room for peaks and the audio is easily distorted.

So I finally sent it to Sony Prime Support, took all summer, which is the prime time for these events and it came back with Sony stating that there was nothing wrong with the camera at all. It is and I quote " supposed to be like this".

So I gave up, because I do this for a living and can`t or rather will not charge my clients for pictures and audio that are not professional.

Even the broadcasting company I work freelance for, complained about my audio, and they haven`t done so in 7 years.

So I sold them. I was tired of not getting the service I expected from Sony.
Today I am the proud owner of a JVC 201 and Panasonic HVX 200 and the problems are gone.

But do I miss the V1s? Yes, sometimes. But I have to say, even though it sounds foolish, that I actually miss my VX2000 more. 4:3 and SD I know, worse lcd and viewfinder but better in low light situations and more robust.

Hope I don`t put anyone off. I had a bad an costly experience with Sony and reading about the vignetting problem on the new EX1 camera I feel sad for the guys who both this camera. It just isn`t supposed to be like this and thinking I could be one of them but I turned my back on Sony and chose the HVX instead.

Stu Holmes · December 19th, 2007, 05:20 PM

Svein

- someone else on the board (Ralph Roberts) had some problem with his V1 and sent it into SOny and besides fixing whatever the problm was with it, when he got it back he said the sound (which he had like you, complained about ) had been fixed !

See here :
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=105432

so that would seem to imply that sony are fully aware of the audio problem and are, sometimes, retroactively fixing it on cameras that end up at their repair facility.
i know you dont have your V1s any more, but i thought i'd mention it as a point of interest.

Greg Laves · December 19th, 2007, 11:28 PM

I just picked up a V1U and it came in last night so I haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet. But I have noticed the low audio output on a V1U that I used previously. Interestingly, the owner of the V1U i had borrowed, told me that he could never get the audio to work on "line" so he always used "mic". When I borrowed his V1U, I hooked my Shure field mixer up to it and I had no trouble getting audio on either "line" or "mic" input settings. Both worked fine for me on his camera. I don't know if he has tried it since I returned it. I haven't checked that function on mine, so far.

Lee Berger · December 20th, 2007, 06:00 AM

I tested my V1's line input last night and it worked fine. Perhaps a little shy on the gain from my +4dbm mixer output, but the signal sounded clean.

Jon Braeley · December 20th, 2007, 08:23 AM

Thanks Tom , this is the WB method I figured out - the manual is useless (like most Sony manuals). Most times the indoor-outdoor auto settings could not be bettered anyway.
The V1 audio was a worry for me, coming from Pannies, which are all good, but I found my V1 held up well. No complaints at all in strength and quality - I rarely had to change the vol from #7 setting on both my Sennheiser shotgun or Lav mics.
My V1 is only a few weeks old and perhaps Sony made some changes.

Svein Rune Skilnand · December 20th, 2007, 09:42 AM

Stu.
Thank you for your input. It is of interest because I have two friends who bought the camera at the same time as me and are struggling with these issues as well.

Greg.
The reason for it working could be due to the mixer, I don`t know. I tried 4 different professional sound boards and they never worked. 4 different sound engineers as well.

Lee.
Strange. Perhaps yoy bought the camera later tham me. Different production perhaps.

Jon.
I had the same concern. Unfortunately it didn`t work out for me so I switched back as yoù have probably read.

Seems that Sony has done some alterations of some kind. I am glad for you guys. That you don`t experience the same problems as me.

Svein Rune

Stu Holmes · December 20th, 2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Braeley

My V1 is only a few weeks old and perhaps Sony made some changes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svein Rune Skilnand

Seems that Sony has done some alterations of some kind.

My guess is that you guys are right on this - that Sony i think may have, quietly, made some design changes to the audio stage on the V1 at some fairly recent point.
Empirical evidence would seem to support this theory.

Lee Berger · December 20th, 2007, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Holmes

My guess is that you guys are right on this - that Sony i think may have, quietly, made some design changes to the audio stage on the V1 at some fairly recent point.
Empirical evidence would seem to support this theory.

I've had my V1 since January of 07. It did go back to Sony twice for back focus problems and they could have done a software update. There's no way to know for sure as it's not listed on the repair ticket.

Piotr Wozniacki · December 23rd, 2007, 05:24 AM

Regarding the sound thing: while it's true that with the stock microphone it is rather low, I have no problems or reservations with the mic I'm using most often - the Edirol CS 50 (mono shotgun / wide stereo switchable), or with the Sennheiser EW 100 G2; the sound level and quality are excellent. Also, I tried my V1E once with line feed - no problem either!

As to the WB: frankly, the V1E is the only camera I've ever used that actually can be trusted for its ATW. No matter how un-professional that may sound: I only fix the WB (to either a preset, or to the white card measurement) in difficult or changing light situations. Otherwise, I'm always on automatic - so far had seen it spoiling my footage only once (shooting a wedding inside a church with the lamp, then leaving the church and - when switching the lamp off- the ATW got fooled for 2 secs).

This is not bad at all when you compare it to what people are saying about the allegedly missing satisfactory WB control on the higher end EX1. But I'm still waiting for mine, so will not comment on that.

Jon Braeley · December 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM

That's why I posted this question - the AWB fooled me - it is so accurate, that I thought I was doing something wrong, compared to my other cameras! I felt I could not trust the viewfinder - but, I was wrong. I hardly need to set the wb manually - just takes some getting used to that's all.
Thanks everyone - happy holidays.

December 19th, 2007, 08:02 AM	#1
Jon Braeley Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 528	White balance - working method? I recently shot 6 hours of footage in Beijing - interviews in small locations inside, large indoor sports arenas and outside shots in various lighting conditions from sunny to smog... the whole gamut. Overall, the footage is superb and I am happy for the first time out with the V1. Yet, WB is the one control I ended up not touching - maybe I am not in command of this yet. On my previous cams I would select a white card, press the WB button to record it, then use this WB setting until I changed scene. I've read the V1 manual ref WB, but still a little confused about manually setting the WB each time - yet sometimes auto WB is not quite right, as in the sports arena, where the wood floor makes everything look too warm. I know I can tweak the WB, but my question is, do you users make a WB manually and if so, how? thanks everyone who reads this.

December 20th, 2007, 06:00 AM	#8
Lee Berger Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 326	I tested my V1's line input last night and it worked fine. Perhaps a little shy on the gain from my +4dbm mixer output, but the signal sounded clean. __________________ www.leebergermedia.com

December 23rd, 2007, 05:24 AM	#13
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Regarding the sound thing: while it's true that with the stock microphone it is rather low, I have no problems or reservations with the mic I'm using most often - the Edirol CS 50 (mono shotgun / wide stereo switchable), or with the Sennheiser EW 100 G2; the sound level and quality are excellent. Also, I tried my V1E once with line feed - no problem either! As to the WB: frankly, the V1E is the only camera I've ever used that actually can be trusted for its ATW. No matter how un-professional that may sound: I only fix the WB (to either a preset, or to the white card measurement) in difficult or changing light situations. Otherwise, I'm always on automatic - so far had seen it spoiling my footage only once (shooting a wedding inside a church with the lamp, then leaving the church and - when switching the lamp off- the ATW got fooled for 2 secs). This is not bad at all when you compare it to what people are saying about the allegedly missing satisfactory WB control on the higher end EX1. But I'm still waiting for mine, so will not comment on that. __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

December 19th, 2007, 09:57 AM	#2
Svein Rune Skilnand Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fidjeland, Norway Posts: 289	I don`have my V1 anymore, but I found a quick an easy way to set WB. Especially when I was in a hurry. Press the preset WB for outdoor and then you can adjust by scrolling the little wheel to give you the warmth or cool you like. Press the wheel when done. Svein Rune

December 19th, 2007, 10:47 AM	#3
Ron Little Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pensacola Fl. Posts: 627	Svein, just curious why did you get rid of your V1?

December 19th, 2007, 12:07 PM	#4
Tom Honey New Boot Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bath, UK Posts: 17	just set white balance to "a" or "B" the customisable settigns hold your white card up then hold in the jog wheel till it sets.

December 19th, 2007, 04:37 PM	#5
Svein Rune Skilnand Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fidjeland, Norway Posts: 289	Ron. First of. It was a great camera and gave excellent images. I found it to be better than the Z1 which I used to own. There were several reasons why I sold the camera or rather why I sold both my V1s. One was the OIS that gave me a lot of trouble. It ruined my footage and it took a month before I found out what was wrong. Several calls to my dealer and Sony gave no results, until one day when Sony finally admitted that the OIS was causing the problem. ( I never should have turned it on but bad habit I guess ). Second the audio was very low and I had to turn the levels all the way up on an interview I did. I just couldn`t get the levels up. The room was quiet and I was sitting one meter away from my subject. And I have used this mic for 9 years with my XL1 and DVX100 and never experienced this. The mic is an AKG C 1000. Extremely frustrating. Third I do a lot of events, concerts and such, and I normally hook up my camera to the sound board to record the audio. Whatever I did I couldn`t get the line- in working. I tried four different V1s and my supplier tried theirs as well. Same result. No audio. Switching it to mic- in I did get audio, but that leaves no room for peaks and the audio is easily distorted. So I finally sent it to Sony Prime Support, took all summer, which is the prime time for these events and it came back with Sony stating that there was nothing wrong with the camera at all. It is and I quote " supposed to be like this". So I gave up, because I do this for a living and can`t or rather will not charge my clients for pictures and audio that are not professional. Even the broadcasting company I work freelance for, complained about my audio, and they haven`t done so in 7 years. So I sold them. I was tired of not getting the service I expected from Sony. Today I am the proud owner of a JVC 201 and Panasonic HVX 200 and the problems are gone. But do I miss the V1s? Yes, sometimes. But I have to say, even though it sounds foolish, that I actually miss my VX2000 more. 4:3 and SD I know, worse lcd and viewfinder but better in low light situations and more robust. Hope I don`t put anyone off. I had a bad an costly experience with Sony and reading about the vignetting problem on the new EX1 camera I feel sad for the guys who both this camera. It just isn`t supposed to be like this and thinking I could be one of them but I turned my back on Sony and chose the HVX instead.

December 19th, 2007, 05:20 PM	#6
Stu Holmes Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 844	Svein - someone else on the board (Ralph Roberts) had some problem with his V1 and sent it into SOny and besides fixing whatever the problm was with it, when he got it back he said the sound (which he had like you, complained about ) had been fixed ! See here : http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=105432 so that would seem to imply that sony are fully aware of the audio problem and are, sometimes, retroactively fixing it on cameras that end up at their repair facility. i know you dont have your V1s any more, but i thought i'd mention it as a point of interest.

December 19th, 2007, 11:28 PM	#7
Greg Laves Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 640	I just picked up a V1U and it came in last night so I haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet. But I have noticed the low audio output on a V1U that I used previously. Interestingly, the owner of the V1U i had borrowed, told me that he could never get the audio to work on "line" so he always used "mic". When I borrowed his V1U, I hooked my Shure field mixer up to it and I had no trouble getting audio on either "line" or "mic" input settings. Both worked fine for me on his camera. I don't know if he has tried it since I returned it. I haven't checked that function on mine, so far.

December 20th, 2007, 08:23 AM	#9
Jon Braeley Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 528	Thanks Tom , this is the WB method I figured out - the manual is useless (like most Sony manuals). Most times the indoor-outdoor auto settings could not be bettered anyway. The V1 audio was a worry for me, coming from Pannies, which are all good, but I found my V1 held up well. No complaints at all in strength and quality - I rarely had to change the vol from #7 setting on both my Sennheiser shotgun or Lav mics. My V1 is only a few weeks old and perhaps Sony made some changes.

December 20th, 2007, 09:42 AM	#10
Svein Rune Skilnand Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fidjeland, Norway Posts: 289	Stu. Thank you for your input. It is of interest because I have two friends who bought the camera at the same time as me and are struggling with these issues as well. Greg. The reason for it working could be due to the mixer, I don`t know. I tried 4 different professional sound boards and they never worked. 4 different sound engineers as well. Lee. Strange. Perhaps yoy bought the camera later tham me. Different production perhaps. Jon. I had the same concern. Unfortunately it didn`t work out for me so I switched back as yoù have probably read. Seems that Sony has done some alterations of some kind. I am glad for you guys. That you don`t experience the same problems as me. Svein Rune

December 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM	#14
Jon Braeley Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 528	That's why I posted this question - the AWB fooled me - it is so accurate, that I thought I was doing something wrong, compared to my other cameras! I felt I could not trust the viewfinder - but, I was wrong. I hardly need to set the wb manually - just takes some getting used to that's all. Thanks everyone - happy holidays.