Canon XL1S to HD1000 at DVinfo.net

G. Randy Brown · May 1st, 2010, 09:37 AM

Hola amigos,
I find myself losing more and more jobs due to not making the switch to HD yet....and the value of my XL1S' dropping substantially over the last 6 months.
I've pretty much decided I should sell my 2 XL1S' asap and go with the HD1000. It's all my "budget" will really allow since I can't get a loan due to a bankruptcy (not related to my business).
My concerns are the studdering in pans and graininess (in good lighting) I've noticed in peoples clips posted here. Some of these clips are a year old though so I'm wondering if there have been improvements in the camera since then. That said, I've also noticed some spectacular footage (much better than I can get with the XL1S') ...so maybe it's more the operator's settings in the cam and knowing how to work around the limitations of the camera? Also, how is the sound with an XLR adaptor...I only need 2 channels, what brand model should I go for?
It's a bit scary to sell what I have so any advice would be much appreciated...also any advice as to where to buy the HD1000?
Thanks very much,
Randy

Adam Gold · May 1st, 2010, 12:48 PM

AFAIK there haven't been any changes to the HD1000 since its release. If you are seeing grainy footage in good light then I suspect it has more to do with operator error than any flaw in the cam.

I love this cam in good light (and even a well-lit sports field at night), but manual control-wise, it isn't even in the same league as your XL1ses. It's really a consumer cam (the HC7) in a big box.

Be aware that if you bolt an XLR box to the bottom, you can't use it shoulder-mounted/handheld, as the box is exactly where the shoulder rest is. The included shotgun mic is fine but a Rode VideoMic -- which goes directly into the mini plug -- is even better.

Most of the people on these boards who have expressed unhappiness or dissatisfaction with this cam went in with unrealistic expectations of what it was. If you know what it is, exactly, and what it's meant to do, then I think you'll be relatively pleased.

I buy only from B&H. If you want to dip your toe into the HD1000 waters, here's an open-box one there: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800698048-USE/Sony_HVRHD1000U_HVR_HD1000U_Digital_High_Definition.html. It's a great deal. I often buy used/open box gear from B&H and have never been disappointed.

G. Randy Brown · May 2nd, 2010, 09:26 AM

Thanks very much Adam!

"Most of the people on these boards who have expressed unhappiness or dissatisfaction with this cam went in with unrealistic expectations of what it was."

The price point being what it is, I can't imagine expecting much.

"If you know what it is, exactly, and what it's meant to do, then I think you'll be relatively pleased."

What it's meant to do is confusing for me because I read one post where someone says it's bad for theatrical lighting and another says it's great. Although most of my work is sit-down interviews (with plenty of lights) and outdoor stuff I also do music concerts and recitals sometimes and wonder how it does with spot lights (not necessarily dim lit plays and such).
Also, after looking at the manual I don't see an auto-focus button (where one can be in manual focus, zoom in on subject, push AF and pull back out without the focus shifting later). I did see what appears to be a very cool thing where you touch the screen where you want the focus (background/foreground) and it will focus to that (and keep that focus)...do I understand this concept correctly?
Are you happy with the AE?
Thanks again Adam,
Randy

Adam Gold · May 2nd, 2010, 12:22 PM

I don't love it for theatrical stuff. It wants to gain up too much and it's a little laborious to control it so you don't get so much grain. It has a SPOTLIGHT function but the contrasty nature of theatrical lighting sometimes throws it for a loop. But outdoors and in well-lit situations it's a champ.

It was really designed to offer two benefits over the smaller HC7 upon which it is based: 1) a steady shoulder mount for those who must shoot handheld run n' gun, and 2) to look impressive for corporate video departments with tightly strapped cash budgets who want to impress their bosses with how much they got for their money.

#2 is not insignificant and I'm not being sarcastic about that. Appearances often matter as much, or more than, actual content. Sad but true. Those who expect too much from this cam see that it has the same basic size and shape as the S270 and expect performance to match at about 20% of the price.

The spot focus function is nice but as you noticed there is no PUSH AF function like in more pro-oriented cams.

G. Randy Brown · May 2nd, 2010, 01:25 PM

"The spot focus function is nice but as you noticed ..."
So you do simply touch the screen and it does focus to that (and not drift until you touch somewhere else)?
Thanks very much Adam,
Randy

Adam Gold · May 2nd, 2010, 01:27 PM

Yes, as far as I recall; when you activate SPOT FOCUS it turns off Auto Focus so it should stay put.

G. Randy Brown · May 3rd, 2010, 06:48 AM

That's a pretty cool concept if it works well.
BTW, is there a way to be emailed/subscribe to a thread here?
Thanks again Adam,
Randy

Adam Gold · May 3rd, 2010, 12:10 PM

Sure. Just hit "Reply" and below the input box, at the bottom of "Additional Options," is "Notification Type." Choose what kind of email you want.

Marc S. Brown · May 14th, 2010, 10:35 PM

...but indoors the thing boosts the gain by it's own desires. My biggest gripe is that you cannot manually control the gain, and that there is no real practical way to manually set your exposure consistently. (You can control the exposure, there simply is no way to measure what F-Stop you're at until you play back the footage and see the specs on the record info)

The camera is a couple of years old - I'd run from it for the money and get something more current.

G. Randy Brown · June 12th, 2010, 10:31 AM

<i>The camera is a couple of years old - I'd run from it for the money and get something more current.</i>

Yessir, I've decided to go with a used Canon XH-A1 and a Panasonic TM700...and hope I can get them to match in post.
Thank you everyone,
Randy

Michael Galvan · June 13th, 2010, 08:05 AM

Good choice... the Canon XH A1 will be leagues better, both in image quality and functionality/operationally) than the Sony HD1000.

The Panasonic should be a good deal better as well.

Glad you were able to figure out what would work for you.

Ian Scammell · August 3rd, 2010, 05:02 AM

Sorry being a little late adding to this post. I use the HD 1000 for half my work which is theatre or similar and allways under controlled lighting conditions. A big saving for not having to hire another camera plus the production Companies I free-lance for have been happy with the results. I do not use the camera in poor lighting conditions.

My only real gripe is not having both manual aperture and focus together so depending on the conditions have to make a choice.

The Bottom line is that as I said half my work is covered without hiring.

Regards Ian

May 1st, 2010, 09:37 AM	#1
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Canon XL1S to HD1000 Hola amigos, I find myself losing more and more jobs due to not making the switch to HD yet....and the value of my XL1S' dropping substantially over the last 6 months. I've pretty much decided I should sell my 2 XL1S' asap and go with the HD1000. It's all my "budget" will really allow since I can't get a loan due to a bankruptcy (not related to my business). My concerns are the studdering in pans and graininess (in good lighting) I've noticed in peoples clips posted here. Some of these clips are a year old though so I'm wondering if there have been improvements in the camera since then. That said, I've also noticed some spectacular footage (much better than I can get with the XL1S') ...so maybe it's more the operator's settings in the cam and knowing how to work around the limitations of the camera? Also, how is the sound with an XLR adaptor...I only need 2 channels, what brand model should I go for? It's a bit scary to sell what I have so any advice would be much appreciated...also any advice as to where to buy the HD1000? Thanks very much, Randy

May 2nd, 2010, 12:22 PM	#4
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	I don't love it for theatrical stuff. It wants to gain up too much and it's a little laborious to control it so you don't get so much grain. It has a SPOTLIGHT function but the contrasty nature of theatrical lighting sometimes throws it for a loop. But outdoors and in well-lit situations it's a champ. It was really designed to offer two benefits over the smaller HC7 upon which it is based: 1) a steady shoulder mount for those who must shoot handheld run n' gun, and 2) to look impressive for corporate video departments with tightly strapped cash budgets who want to impress their bosses with how much they got for their money. #2 is not insignificant and I'm not being sarcastic about that. Appearances often matter as much, or more than, actual content. Sad but true. Those who expect too much from this cam see that it has the same basic size and shape as the S270 and expect performance to match at about 20% of the price. The spot focus function is nice but as you noticed there is no PUSH AF function like in more pro-oriented cams. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

May 2nd, 2010, 01:27 PM	#6
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Yes, as far as I recall; when you activate SPOT FOCUS it turns off Auto Focus so it should stay put. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

May 3rd, 2010, 12:10 PM	#8
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Sure. Just hit "Reply" and below the input box, at the bottom of "Additional Options," is "Notification Type." Choose what kind of email you want. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

May 14th, 2010, 10:35 PM	#9
Marc S. Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Jenkinsburg,GA. Posts: 39	Outdoors in bright light the camera shines... ...but indoors the thing boosts the gain by it's own desires. My biggest gripe is that you cannot manually control the gain, and that there is no real practical way to manually set your exposure consistently. (You can control the exposure, there simply is no way to measure what F-Stop you're at until you play back the footage and see the specs on the record info) The camera is a couple of years old - I'd run from it for the money and get something more current.

May 1st, 2010, 12:48 PM	#2
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	AFAIK there haven't been any changes to the HD1000 since its release. If you are seeing grainy footage in good light then I suspect it has more to do with operator error than any flaw in the cam. I love this cam in good light (and even a well-lit sports field at night), but manual control-wise, it isn't even in the same league as your XL1ses. It's really a consumer cam (the HC7) in a big box. Be aware that if you bolt an XLR box to the bottom, you can't use it shoulder-mounted/handheld, as the box is exactly where the shoulder rest is. The included shotgun mic is fine but a Rode VideoMic -- which goes directly into the mini plug -- is even better. Most of the people on these boards who have expressed unhappiness or dissatisfaction with this cam went in with unrealistic expectations of what it was. If you know what it is, exactly, and what it's meant to do, then I think you'll be relatively pleased. I buy only from B&H. If you want to dip your toe into the HD1000 waters, here's an open-box one there: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800698048-USE/Sony_HVRHD1000U_HVR_HD1000U_Digital_High_Definition.html. It's a great deal. I often buy used/open box gear from B&H and have never been disappointed. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

May 2nd, 2010, 09:26 AM	#3
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Thanks very much Adam! "Most of the people on these boards who have expressed unhappiness or dissatisfaction with this cam went in with unrealistic expectations of what it was." The price point being what it is, I can't imagine expecting much. "If you know what it is, exactly, and what it's meant to do, then I think you'll be relatively pleased." What it's meant to do is confusing for me because I read one post where someone says it's bad for theatrical lighting and another says it's great. Although most of my work is sit-down interviews (with plenty of lights) and outdoor stuff I also do music concerts and recitals sometimes and wonder how it does with spot lights (not necessarily dim lit plays and such). Also, after looking at the manual I don't see an auto-focus button (where one can be in manual focus, zoom in on subject, push AF and pull back out without the focus shifting later). I did see what appears to be a very cool thing where you touch the screen where you want the focus (background/foreground) and it will focus to that (and keep that focus)...do I understand this concept correctly? Are you happy with the AE? Thanks again Adam, Randy

May 2nd, 2010, 01:25 PM	#5
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	"The spot focus function is nice but as you noticed ..." So you do simply touch the screen and it does focus to that (and not drift until you touch somewhere else)? Thanks very much Adam, Randy

May 3rd, 2010, 06:48 AM	#7
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	That's a pretty cool concept if it works well. BTW, is there a way to be emailed/subscribe to a thread here? Thanks again Adam, Randy

June 12th, 2010, 10:31 AM	#10
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	<i>The camera is a couple of years old - I'd run from it for the money and get something more current.</i> Yessir, I've decided to go with a used Canon XH-A1 and a Panasonic TM700...and hope I can get them to match in post. Thank you everyone, Randy

June 13th, 2010, 08:05 AM	#11
Michael Galvan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 775	Good choice... the Canon XH A1 will be leagues better, both in image quality and functionality/operationally) than the Sony HD1000. The Panasonic should be a good deal better as well. Glad you were able to figure out what would work for you. __________________ www.michaelgalvan.com www.screenanthology.com

August 3rd, 2010, 05:02 AM	#12
Ian Scammell New Boot Join Date: May 2009 Location: Aldeacentenera Extremadura Spain Posts: 18	Sorry being a little late adding to this post. I use the HD 1000 for half my work which is theatre or similar and allways under controlled lighting conditions. A big saving for not having to hire another camera plus the production Companies I free-lance for have been happy with the results. I do not use the camera in poor lighting conditions. My only real gripe is not having both manual aperture and focus together so depending on the conditions have to make a choice. The Bottom line is that as I said half my work is covered without hiring. Regards Ian