Capturing using HV30 at DVinfo.net

Jeff Anselmo · November 7th, 2008, 11:46 AM

Sorry if this has been talked about, and I couldn't properly research the answer; but I was wondering if I can use my Canon HV30 to capture footage from the HVR1000?

Thanks,

Noa Put · November 7th, 2008, 12:47 PM

The hvr1000 records HDV to a minidv cassette, right? In that case you can plug those cassettes into a hv30 and use it to capture.

Jeff Pulera · November 7th, 2008, 01:15 PM

What you do need to watch for is that both cameras support the format you are working with. If you SHOOT in 24p mode, but the PLAYBACK camera does not offer 24p, then it will not recognize the tape. In the case of 1080i HDV, you should always be good since that seems to be the standard, the progressive modes (24p, 30p, 60p) is where it gets sticky

Jeff Pulera
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noa Put

The hvr1000 records HDV to a minidv cassette, right? In that case you can plug those cassettes into a hv30 and use it to capture.

Duane Steiner · November 7th, 2008, 02:59 PM

I use a HV20 to capture tapes from the HD1000 with no problems.

Jeff Anselmo · November 7th, 2008, 05:03 PM

Thanks folks for all the quick replies!

A friend had shot 10 hours worth of footage with another friend's HVR1000, but he won't be able to use the cam for capturing (as the other friend will need the cam for another project). And since he's in a deadline, he's asked me whether or not I could use the HV30 to capture the tapes for him. Whew! So I've asked the fine folks here if that's possible.

Duane--Good to know that you've actually done it; and it's at least possible to do so.

Jeff P.--That's also good to note. But if the HV30 shoots a type of 24p, 30p, & 60i, and the HVR1000, shoots in those formats as well, then is it safe to assume that the footage shot on the HVR1000 will be recognized by the HV30? (Assuming I don't make an a$$ out of me :)

I guess I'll just have to put in the tape into the HV30, and start capturing...

Best,

Jeff Anselmo · November 7th, 2008, 05:28 PM

So just found out that the footage shot on the HVR1000 was SD, not HDV.

He tried capturing using an SD miniDV cam, and it didn't work.

So, would the HV30 still work?

Dave Christensen · November 8th, 2008, 11:36 AM

Not sure if this will be helpful or not, but I've experienced similar issues moving between cameras. Recently I had to capture 1080p24 footage shot from an H1, captured with a HV10... doesn't work. It plays fine, but won't capture. And that's going Canon-Canon also.

I've also had trouble going from Sony-shot DV to JVC with dropped frames. I think, in general, the best practice is just to capture with the same camera you shot with, regardless of the extra effort required if you need to wrangle up the camera again.

Jeff Anselmo · November 8th, 2008, 01:46 PM

So we experimented and loaded up a tape onto my HV30, hooked up the firewire, fired up Adobe PPro 2, adjusted settings for HDV 1080i 30 (Sony 60i), hit F5, and...the footage started capturing!

I only captured about 20 seconds or so, the file captured was Mpeg (surprised to see), and was huge--like 39MB, huge.

Dave C.--I understand how you feel. But sometimes when deadlines loom, and there're projects to shoot, one can't always use the same camera to capture (like what's currently happening to my friend). Yes, one can argue that proper planning would insure that won't happen, but in reality, especially when business and money is concerned, situations like that does occur. (apologize for long-winded-ness :)

Best,

Jeff Pulera · November 8th, 2008, 04:33 PM

Hi Jeff,

The Sony camera in question is "1080i only", does not do 24p, 30p, etc. and should play back fine in the HV30.

HDV captures at the SAME rate as DV, not sure why the file size surprised you, it uses about 13GB per hour. That is why you can fit one hour of DV or HDV on the same tape.

".mpeg" is the correct file type when capturing HDV using Premiere, looks like you will be fine with the captures using the HV30.

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Anselmo

So we experimented and loaded up a tape onto my HV30, hooked up the firewire, fired up Adobe PPro 2, adjusted settings for HDV 1080i 30 (Sony 60i), hit F5, and...the footage started capturing!

I only captured about 20 seconds or so, the file captured was Mpeg (surprised to see), and was huge--like 39MB, huge.

Dave C.--I understand how you feel. But sometimes when deadlines loom, and there're projects to shoot, one can't always use the same camera to capture (like what's currently happening to my friend). Yes, one can argue that proper planning would insure that won't happen, but in reality, especially when business and money is concerned, situations like that does occur. (apologize for long-winded-ness :)

Best,

Jeff Anselmo · November 8th, 2008, 10:22 PM

I've never used the HVR1000, and don't know its specs. (That's why I rely on folks here at dvinfo for, um, info :)

I've only captured HDV thru the HV30, using the trial version of Cineform's AspectHD. And with those files, the HDV footage is converted to Cineform's AVI files. So I guess PPro's native HDV files are converted to Mpegs?

Thanks again for the help and info!

Jeff Pulera · November 10th, 2008, 11:39 AM

Hi Jeff,

HDV video is MPEG-2. I believe technically it's called a "transport stream" and the file extension would normally be ".m2t" but Adobe tags it .mpeg instead.

Adobe is not "converting" the captured HDV, just changing the extension. On the other hand, Cineform does actually transcode the MPEG-2 into an .avi file format and it does take more space on the drive but is easier to play back and edit.

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Anselmo

I've never used the HVR1000, and don't know its specs. (That's why I rely on folks here at dvinfo for, um, info :)

I've only captured HDV thru the HV30, using the trial version of Cineform's AspectHD. And with those files, the HDV footage is converted to Cineform's AVI files. So I guess PPro's native HDV files are converted to Mpegs?

Thanks again for the help and info!

Chris Swartz · December 3rd, 2008, 09:40 PM

Check out this thread.

HV20 and Portable Intensity Station - Canon HV20 / HV30 User Forum

I can build you what you want, the problem is how much do you want to pay for it.

I'd say expect to pay at least 3K, especially if you want to use the Cineform Codec.

email me if you are interested.

Chris

Chris Swartz · December 3rd, 2008, 09:42 PM

Oh BTW, I have used this setup for many a greenscreen shoot, and the keys are just amazing. Personally I think the quality of the HDV the camera shoots is amazing, so anything better is just gravy to me.

Chris

November 7th, 2008, 11:46 AM	#1
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	Capturing using HV30 Sorry if this has been talked about, and I couldn't properly research the answer; but I was wondering if I can use my Canon HV30 to capture footage from the HVR1000? Thanks, __________________ --JA

November 7th, 2008, 02:59 PM	#4
Duane Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CA Posts: 195	I use a HV20 to capture tapes from the HD1000 with no problems. __________________ www.speedandmotion.com

November 7th, 2008, 05:03 PM	#5
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	Thanks folks for all the quick replies! A friend had shot 10 hours worth of footage with another friend's HVR1000, but he won't be able to use the cam for capturing (as the other friend will need the cam for another project). And since he's in a deadline, he's asked me whether or not I could use the HV30 to capture the tapes for him. Whew! So I've asked the fine folks here if that's possible. Duane--Good to know that you've actually done it; and it's at least possible to do so. Jeff P.--That's also good to note. But if the HV30 shoots a type of 24p, 30p, & 60i, and the HVR1000, shoots in those formats as well, then is it safe to assume that the footage shot on the HVR1000 will be recognized by the HV30? (Assuming I don't make an a$$ out of me :) I guess I'll just have to put in the tape into the HV30, and start capturing... Best, __________________ --JA

November 7th, 2008, 05:28 PM	#6
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	So just found out that the footage shot on the HVR1000 was SD, not HDV. He tried capturing using an SD miniDV cam, and it didn't work. So, would the HV30 still work? __________________ --JA

November 8th, 2008, 11:36 AM	#7
Dave Christensen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tempe, AZ, USA Posts: 32	Not sure if this will be helpful or not, but I've experienced similar issues moving between cameras. Recently I had to capture 1080p24 footage shot from an H1, captured with a HV10... doesn't work. It plays fine, but won't capture. And that's going Canon-Canon also. I've also had trouble going from Sony-shot DV to JVC with dropped frames. I think, in general, the best practice is just to capture with the same camera you shot with, regardless of the extra effort required if you need to wrangle up the camera again. __________________ Final Cut FTW

November 7th, 2008, 12:47 PM	#2
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	The hvr1000 records HDV to a minidv cassette, right? In that case you can plug those cassettes into a hv30 and use it to capture.

November 8th, 2008, 01:46 PM	#8
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	So we experimented and loaded up a tape onto my HV30, hooked up the firewire, fired up Adobe PPro 2, adjusted settings for HDV 1080i 30 (Sony 60i), hit F5, and...the footage started capturing! I only captured about 20 seconds or so, the file captured was Mpeg (surprised to see), and was huge--like 39MB, huge. Dave C.--I understand how you feel. But sometimes when deadlines loom, and there're projects to shoot, one can't always use the same camera to capture (like what's currently happening to my friend). Yes, one can argue that proper planning would insure that won't happen, but in reality, especially when business and money is concerned, situations like that does occur. (apologize for long-winded-ness :) Best, __________________ --JA

November 8th, 2008, 10:22 PM	#10
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	I've never used the HVR1000, and don't know its specs. (That's why I rely on folks here at dvinfo for, um, info :) I've only captured HDV thru the HV30, using the trial version of Cineform's AspectHD. And with those files, the HDV footage is converted to Cineform's AVI files. So I guess PPro's native HDV files are converted to Mpegs? Thanks again for the help and info! __________________ --JA

December 3rd, 2008, 09:40 PM	#12
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	Check out this thread. HV20 and Portable Intensity Station - Canon HV20 / HV30 User Forum I can build you what you want, the problem is how much do you want to pay for it. I'd say expect to pay at least 3K, especially if you want to use the Cineform Codec. email me if you are interested. Chris

December 3rd, 2008, 09:42 PM	#13
Chris Swartz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	Oh BTW, I have used this setup for many a greenscreen shoot, and the keys are just amazing. Personally I think the quality of the HDV the camera shoots is amazing, so anything better is just gravy to me. Chris