Sony HVR-HD100 VS GY-HD100 at DVinfo.net

Randy Johnson · March 1st, 2008, 04:52 PM

I own 2 GY-HD100's I do weddings I am kinda dissapointed with my decision to get those cameras because of 2 things 1. The low light capabilitys 2. It seems like I put myself in a very limited line with lack deck options and such. plus my Firewire ports died on both my cameras and I find myself needing a deck. Before I go any deeper into the JVC line I wondered how the HVR-HD 1000 compared to the JVC are the pictures the close? is the low light performance the same? for the price of a deck it may be worth it for me to sell my GY-HD100s and get a couple Sony HVR-HD1000s.

Thanks
Randy

John Bosco Jr. · March 1st, 2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

I own 2 GY-HD100's I do weddings I am kinda dissapointed with my decision to get those cameras because of 2 things 1. The low light capabilitys 2. It seems like I put myself in a very limited line with lack deck options and such. plus my Firewire ports died on both my cameras and I find myself needing a deck. Before I go any deeper into the JVC line I wondered how the HVR-HD 1000 compared to the JVC are the pictures the close? is the low light performance the same? for the price of a deck it may be worth it for me to sell my GY-HD100s and get a couple Sony HVR-HD1000s.

Thanks
Randy

The Sony hd1000 is a good camera, but it doesn't compare to the HD100. The Sony camera is an entry prosumer camera costing under $2k. The HD100 is a high end prosumer camera which cost above $4k. The low light performance is about the same; however, the Sony has a 10x lens to the JVC's 16x. Not to mention that you have lots more control with the JVC hd100. Heck, you cannot even select the gain on the hd1000. If you want a cheap replacement for you hd100, you are not going to find it.

JVC HD100 advantages over Sony hd1000:
Three Sensors
Manual 16x lens
2 built in ND Filters
24P
Selectable Gain
More custom adjustments
XLR audio Jacks

Possible advantages of Sony hd1000 over JVC hd100:
Price
Battery Life
OIS - Optical Image Stabilization
Sony's Nightshot and Super Nightshot (Shoot in extreme low light but at a cost of grainy, colorless images)

When it comes to under $5k high end prosumer shoulder mount high definition cameras, there's nothing currently out except JVC gy hd100 and now the hd110.

Robert M Wright · March 1st, 2008, 07:07 PM

The two cameras share very little in common (aside from being shoulder mount cameras).

The GY-HD100 records 720 lines, progressive footage only (24p or 30p), while the HVR-HD1000 records 1080 lines, interlaced footage only (60i - with no progressive modes available). Both are technically HDV, but I don't think there is any device out there that can actually read tapes shot with both cameras.

The GY-HD100 is a very manually controlled camera. The HVR-HD1000 has about about as much manual control available as a consumer camcorder.

I haven't shot with either camera, but I would be really surprised if the HVR-HD1000's single 1/3" CMOS sensor could perform nearly as well as the GY-HD100's three 1/3" CCD sensors, in low light.

If you want to switch to using another camera that would be a somewhat less drastic change, but produce tapes compatible with many other cameras and decks, you might consider the Canon XH-A1.

Randy Johnson · March 1st, 2008, 07:13 PM

Great thanks for the info. Im just a little frustrated my firewire ports died on my 100s and it going to cost about $1,500 each to fix(the price I could get a sony HVR-HD1000 for) plus the only deck solution for the 100 is the $2,500 deck JVC has, sony has alot more options. I guess i'll just ride the JVC train out.

Robert M Wright · March 1st, 2008, 07:18 PM

You might want to check out this thread, for another possible repair option:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=112792

Randy Johnson · March 1st, 2008, 10:30 PM

Thanks for the link, I found a couple places that said they could fix it for about $600 or so but now its kinda tough call. $1,200 to fix both my camcorders or just put out $2,500 and get a deck and not have to worry about getting them fixed. I think I need to see the way JVC is going at NAB something tells me there going to try and get rid of tape somehow.

Robert M Wright · March 2nd, 2008, 01:50 PM

You might also consider the possibility of picking up a used HD1 or HD10 to use as a capture deck.

Randy Johnson · March 2nd, 2008, 02:17 PM

HD1 ? HD10? what are they?

William Hohauser · March 2nd, 2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

I own 2 GY-HD100's I do weddings I am kinda dissapointed with my decision to get those cameras because of 2 things 1. The low light capabilitys 2. It seems like I put myself in a very limited line with lack deck options and such. plus my Firewire ports died on both my cameras and I find myself needing a deck. Before I go any deeper into the JVC line I wondered how the HVR-HD 1000 compared to the JVC are the pictures the close? is the low light performance the same? for the price of a deck it may be worth it for me to sell my GY-HD100s and get a couple Sony HVR-HD1000s.

Thanks
Randy

Considering that I did a two camera shoot with both of these cameras, I crown myself able to answer your questions reasonably well.

First off the HD100 has a more robust image compared to the HD1000 but that's due to the differences between 3 chip and one chip cameras. However, the HD1000 has modestly better low light capabilities but that is also due to the differences between 3 chip and one chip cameras.

The overall quality differences are noticeable to me but possibly not to your clients or for your work. If you are used to the control the HD100 gives you while shooting, the HD1000 will be frustrating as it's a consumer HDV camera in an altered body. The lack of balanced XLR mike inputs may be a problem. The HD100s are great cameras despite the problems. The HD1000s are very good cameras despite their limitations.

The two cameras actually mixed together very well during the edit. I had to boost the chroma and do some video level adjustments on the HD1000 footage to get it looking good next to the HD100. I kept the HD1000 on close-ups since the single chip has a harsher image with details.

Randy Johnson · March 4th, 2008, 01:30 PM

Thanks for the response William thats just what I was looking for.

Randy

Robert M Wright · March 4th, 2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

HD1 ? HD10? what are they?

The HD1 and HD10 were JVC's first HDV camcorders.

Chris Hurd · March 4th, 2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

HD1 ? HD10? what are they?

See http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=74 for more info than you could possibly want to know.

Randy Johnson · March 6th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Can you still get these cameras? Possibly to use a HDV deck for capturing?

Robert M Wright · March 7th, 2008, 01:01 PM

They can be found used now and then. I have an HD10U that I will probably sell sometime this year.

Greg Toope · March 7th, 2008, 02:36 PM

Yeah the hd1u and hd10u were decent cameras. I have an hd1u which will probably see its end of use fairly soon, as its sole purpose now is as a deck for my old 720p footage.

March 1st, 2008, 04:52 PM	#1
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Sony HVR-HD100 VS GY-HD100 I own 2 GY-HD100's I do weddings I am kinda dissapointed with my decision to get those cameras because of 2 things 1. The low light capabilitys 2. It seems like I put myself in a very limited line with lack deck options and such. plus my Firewire ports died on both my cameras and I find myself needing a deck. Before I go any deeper into the JVC line I wondered how the HVR-HD 1000 compared to the JVC are the pictures the close? is the low light performance the same? for the price of a deck it may be worth it for me to sell my GY-HD100s and get a couple Sony HVR-HD1000s. Thanks Randy

March 1st, 2008, 07:07 PM	#3
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	The two cameras share very little in common (aside from being shoulder mount cameras). The GY-HD100 records 720 lines, progressive footage only (24p or 30p), while the HVR-HD1000 records 1080 lines, interlaced footage only (60i - with no progressive modes available). Both are technically HDV, but I don't think there is any device out there that can actually read tapes shot with both cameras. The GY-HD100 is a very manually controlled camera. The HVR-HD1000 has about about as much manual control available as a consumer camcorder. I haven't shot with either camera, but I would be really surprised if the HVR-HD1000's single 1/3" CMOS sensor could perform nearly as well as the GY-HD100's three 1/3" CCD sensors, in low light. If you want to switch to using another camera that would be a somewhat less drastic change, but produce tapes compatible with many other cameras and decks, you might consider the Canon XH-A1.

March 1st, 2008, 07:13 PM	#4
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Great thanks for the info. Im just a little frustrated my firewire ports died on my 100s and it going to cost about $1,500 each to fix(the price I could get a sony HVR-HD1000 for) plus the only deck solution for the 100 is the $2,500 deck JVC has, sony has alot more options. I guess i'll just ride the JVC train out.

March 1st, 2008, 07:18 PM	#5
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	You might want to check out this thread, for another possible repair option: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=112792

March 1st, 2008, 10:30 PM	#6
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Thanks for the link, I found a couple places that said they could fix it for about $600 or so but now its kinda tough call. $1,200 to fix both my camcorders or just put out $2,500 and get a deck and not have to worry about getting them fixed. I think I need to see the way JVC is going at NAB something tells me there going to try and get rid of tape somehow.

March 2nd, 2008, 01:50 PM	#7
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	You might also consider the possibility of picking up a used HD1 or HD10 to use as a capture deck.

March 2nd, 2008, 02:17 PM	#8
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	HD1 ? HD10? what are they?

March 4th, 2008, 01:30 PM	#10
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Thanks for the response William thats just what I was looking for. Randy

March 6th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#13
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Can you still get these cameras? Possibly to use a HDV deck for capturing?

March 7th, 2008, 01:01 PM	#14
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	They can be found used now and then. I have an HD10U that I will probably sell sometime this year.

March 7th, 2008, 02:36 PM	#15
Greg Toope Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 60	Yeah the hd1u and hd10u were decent cameras. I have an hd1u which will probably see its end of use fairly soon, as its sole purpose now is as a deck for my old 720p footage.