HVR-HD1000 vs. DSR-250P at DVinfo.net

Asaf Benatia · February 16th, 2008, 09:35 AM

Hello all,
i went to thw store to ask about thy new HVR-HD1000 , the seller told me it's an upgraded DSR-250, same camera ...

can you compare those tow?

Adam Gold · February 16th, 2008, 12:02 PM

They look similar but are completely different. The seller is, as usual, a complete idiot.

The DSR is a 3-CCD SD DVCAM Pro cam with XLR and pro features. The HD1000 is a 1-CMOS HDV MiniDV cam that, although from the Pro division, has the exact same features and capabilities as a consumer level HC7. There's no way to confuse the two except by looks.

Asaf Benatia · February 16th, 2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gold

They look similar but are completely different. The seller is, as usual, a complete idiot.

The DSR is a 3-CCD SD DVCAM Pro cam with XLR and pro features. The HD1000 is a 1-CMOS HDV MiniDV cam that, although from the Pro division, has the exact same features and capabilities as a consumer level HC7. There's no way to confuse the two except by looks.

Thanks for the replay,
So if i shoot in SD only, what you suggest me to buy?

Adam Gold · February 16th, 2008, 12:11 PM

You have concerns about low light, yes? Then you need a VX2100 or a PD170.

Asaf Benatia · February 16th, 2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gold

You have concerns about low light, yes? Then you need a VX2100 or a PD170.

yes, i know you are saying but i want shoulder mount...
if i have to take the PD170 i would prefer the DVX100B so i have similer colors like the DVC200 i have...

and please be aware that i'm gonna use 40w video light on camera...

Graham Risdon · February 16th, 2008, 12:41 PM

For SD, I would go with the DSR-250. I've got a couple and whilst they're basically shoulder mounted PD150s with more switches (to avoid changing settings with menus) I've found them to be very good and perfectly capable of professional results. I guess they will be phased out soon as will most SD stuff, so you should get a good deal.
They're not the same standard as my DSR-450, but as they say, you pay your money and take your choice.

If you want HD then the DSR-250 is no good as it only does SD - Maybe a tricked-up Z1 (shoulder support / mattbox etc) would do. This gives reasonable SD and very good HDV.

Hope this helps

Adam Gold · February 18th, 2008, 02:38 PM

If you want HDV in a real shoulder mount form then the only other alternatives to the HD1000 are the S270 from Sony or the HD250 from JVC. They shoot different forms of HDV and are not interchangeable. And they are both in the $8-$10,000 range.

In this low price range there are no alternatives to the HD1000. So just be aware of its limitations and learn to work with them.

William Hohauser · February 18th, 2008, 02:52 PM

Don't forget the HD110 from JVC, around $5000. Three chips, 720p and shoots in 6 GOP MPEG2 as opposed to 15 GOP with the Sony HDV models.

Adam Gold · February 18th, 2008, 02:57 PM

I think the HD110 only does 720p30, not 720p60....

But the HD200, at about $6000, does do 720p60.

William Hohauser · February 18th, 2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gold

I think the HD110 only does 720p30, not 720p60....

But the HD200, at about $6000, does do 720p60.

Since I use both cameras (the HD100/110 and the HD1000), I have to say that I find more client satisfaction with 30p especially with interviews and narrative filming. I've set the HD1000 to 30p more than once. There's a lot of perceptual stuff going on when you compare 30p to 60i. I find that 30p at 1/60th shutter at times looks a lot like 60i while a 1/30th progressive shutter on both 720p and 1080i systems resembles film.

The HD1000 can do 60i which is not quite the same as 60p. I don't know of an HDV system that can record the hefty data of 1080p60.

Adam Gold · February 20th, 2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by William Hohauser

I've set the HD1000 to 30p more than once.

Really? How? The HD1000U does not support 30p. There's no mention of progressive, 30p or 30fps in the manual...

Do you mean the HD100/110?

Robert M Wright · February 20th, 2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Asaf Benatia

Thanks for the replay,
So if i shoot in SD only, what you suggest me to buy?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asaf Benatia

yes, i know you are saying but i want shoulder mount...

What sort of price range are you looking at? What will you be shooting?

Asaf Benatia · February 21st, 2008, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert M Wright

What sort of price range are you looking at? What will you be shooting?

hi
im a wedding video photographer , i'm shooting in dance floors with low light .
i need shoulder mount camera
in the range of 2000-3000$ (pal system only)

William Hohauser · February 21st, 2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Gold

Really? How? The HD1000U does not support 30p. There's no mention of progressive, 30p or 30fps in the manual...

Do you mean the HD100/110?

The CMOS chip in the HD1000 is a progressive imaging chip. When you select 1/30th shutter in the HD1000 you get 30p distributed over a 60i signal. This is similar to how a camera like the Panasonic DVX100 distributes a 24p image over a 60i recording except it's a lot simpler with 30p. Both interlace fields have half of the same frame.

The manual for the HD1000, like the lack of f-stop and db increments in the viewfinder, is quite perfunctory and written more like a consumer camera manual. Not surprising since the camera is a consumer camera in a better body.

Robert M Wright · February 21st, 2008, 01:04 PM

The only shoulder mount cameras I am aware of, that are currently in production and priced under $3000, are the Panasonic DVC20 and the Sony HD1000, both of which are basically souped up consumer cameras (and probably perform pretty poorly in low light). If you can spend a little more, you could get a Sony DSR-250.

You might keep your eye out for a good used JVC GY-DV500. I've seen a few of them (NTSC version though) sell for under $2000 (with lens), here in the states, recently.

February 16th, 2008, 09:35 AM	#1
Asaf Benatia Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Beer Sheva Posts: 54	HVR-HD1000 vs. DSR-250P Hello all, i went to thw store to ask about thy new HVR-HD1000 , the seller told me it's an upgraded DSR-250, same camera ... can you compare those tow?

February 18th, 2008, 02:52 PM	#8
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Don't forget the HD110 from JVC, around $5000. Three chips, 720p and shoots in 6 GOP MPEG2 as opposed to 15 GOP with the Sony HDV models. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

February 16th, 2008, 12:02 PM	#2
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	They look similar but are completely different. The seller is, as usual, a complete idiot. The DSR is a 3-CCD SD DVCAM Pro cam with XLR and pro features. The HD1000 is a 1-CMOS HDV MiniDV cam that, although from the Pro division, has the exact same features and capabilities as a consumer level HC7. There's no way to confuse the two except by looks.

February 16th, 2008, 12:11 PM	#4
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	You have concerns about low light, yes? Then you need a VX2100 or a PD170.

February 16th, 2008, 12:41 PM	#6
Graham Risdon Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 192	For SD, I would go with the DSR-250. I've got a couple and whilst they're basically shoulder mounted PD150s with more switches (to avoid changing settings with menus) I've found them to be very good and perfectly capable of professional results. I guess they will be phased out soon as will most SD stuff, so you should get a good deal. They're not the same standard as my DSR-450, but as they say, you pay your money and take your choice. If you want HD then the DSR-250 is no good as it only does SD - Maybe a tricked-up Z1 (shoulder support / mattbox etc) would do. This gives reasonable SD and very good HDV. Hope this helps

February 18th, 2008, 02:38 PM	#7
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	If you want HDV in a real shoulder mount form then the only other alternatives to the HD1000 are the S270 from Sony or the HD250 from JVC. They shoot different forms of HDV and are not interchangeable. And they are both in the $8-$10,000 range. In this low price range there are no alternatives to the HD1000. So just be aware of its limitations and learn to work with them.

February 18th, 2008, 02:57 PM	#9
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	I think the HD110 only does 720p30, not 720p60.... But the HD200, at about $6000, does do 720p60.

February 21st, 2008, 01:04 PM	#15
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	The only shoulder mount cameras I am aware of, that are currently in production and priced under $3000, are the Panasonic DVC20 and the Sony HD1000, both of which are basically souped up consumer cameras (and probably perform pretty poorly in low light). If you can spend a little more, you could get a Sony DSR-250. You might keep your eye out for a good used JVC GY-DV500. I've seen a few of them (NTSC version though) sell for under $2000 (with lens), here in the states, recently.