First shoot, first impressions for HVR-HD1000

William Hohauser · January 10th, 2008, 04:54 PM

These are some screen grabs from the HD1000 for your perusal.

Everything is handheld with the camera in automatic except for the shutter which is set at 1/30. This has the effect of making stills a bit blurrier so don't take take that against the camera. Something you might take against the camera is illustrated between the shots "Gallery" and "Hanging Pictures". This is how the camera interpreted the white balance before and after going outside for some shots. At the time I wasn't sure if there was a difference so I didn't force the camera into manual WB but I did make sure the camera was in auto white balance. I have no explanation except that the gallery was illuminated by fluorescent.

The gentleman in the pictures is Ron Diorio, a photo artist. His work can be seen at www.rondiorio.com.

Johnnie Caraballo · January 10th, 2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by William Hohauser

These are some screen grabs from the HD1000 for your perusal.

Everything is handheld with the camera in automatic except for the shutter which is set at 1/30. This has the effect of making stills a bit blurrier so don't take take that against the camera. Something you might take against the camera is illustrated between the shots "Gallery" and "Hanging Pictures". This is how the camera interpreted the white balance before and after going outside for some shots. At the time I wasn't sure if there was a difference so I didn't force the camera into manual WB but I did make sure the camera was in auto white balance. I have no explanation except that the gallery was illuminated by fluorescent.

The gentleman in the pictures is Ron Diorio, a photo artist. His work can be seen at www.rondiorio.com.

I'm just curious why all the attention on taking photos with a Video Cam. Am I missing something here?

William Hohauser · January 10th, 2008, 11:26 PM

The stills are from video clips that are part of a short promotional piece. The posted stills are for inquisitive people to make a judgement about the image quality and performance of the camera. There's no reason yet to post clips but as I do more work that's not someone else's property I might post them if they show something extraordinary about the camera.

Hans Ledel · January 11th, 2008, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by William Hohauser

Flimsy, no.

After a couple of hours of it on my shoulder, slightly uncomfortable. The padding is rather hard. The shoulder rest is adjustable but you need a screw driver to do it.

Thank you!

Daniel Rabranque · January 12th, 2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Toope

The camera itself has some actual weight to it, which is good. I think for the price tag its better then what I would have expected. In regards to the ring, you can use it and say the spot focus at the same time. Actually the spot focus works quite nice as long as you are on a tripod so that you can keep the camera steady.

Thank you very much Greg for your explanations. Your video on the gain, demonstrates the capabilities in this area.

Please Greg, what are the differences in video quality between HD1000 (1 CMOS 1/3) and FX7 (3 CMOS 1/4). Thank you

Daniel

Greg Toope · January 12th, 2008, 11:40 AM

That I couldnt tell you as I do not have an FX7. But the HD1000 seems to use the exact same video insides as the HC7 and A1U. Im hopefully going to take the camera out this Sunday or Monday to do some outdoor shooting with it. So Ill post as soon as I get them. All depends on the weather.

Duane Steiner · January 12th, 2008, 04:55 PM

Do you think the footage from the HD1000 will mix well with the Canon HV20? Also anyone try Impact batteries for it? Any other suggestions for accessories (bag, light etc)?

William Hohauser · January 12th, 2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Rabranque

Thank you very much Greg for your explanations. Your video on the gain, demonstrates the capabilities in this area.

Please Greg, what are the differences in video quality between HD1000 (1 CMOS 1/3) and FX7 (3 CMOS 1/4). Thank you

Daniel

Sorry to dominate the discussion here but I did a four camera shoot with the FX7 last month. The differences are in a noticable improvement in color reproduction and overall image sparkle for the FX7 but that's to be expected from a 3-chip camera. The FX7 also has a much better set of on camera functions as well as the balanced audio inputs. However the HD1000 is good in low-light for an HDV camera, it has a built in should pad and much better weight distribution.

But all said, you can take the two different cameras, shoot wisely, and with a little post color correction get to the point where the average viewer would have no idea that you were using two different types of camera. I succeeded using a JVC HD-100 and the Sony HD1000. The different recording codecs were a bigger problem!

So would I choose a FX7 over a HD1000? If money was flowing freely, yes. Would I pick the single CMOS chip Sony HVR-A1 over the HD1000? Not for the price difference Sony wants. The difficulties with the HD1000 are not enough to warrant purchasing the A1 with it's better on-camera controls. The A1 apparently has a better lens although and balanced audio inputs.

Jaser Stockert · January 12th, 2008, 05:25 PM

glad to hear it is good in low light. =) do you have any sample to show in low light conditions? thanks william!

Daniel Rabranque · January 13th, 2008, 07:08 AM

Greg and William Thank you for your responses.

In France, the HD1000 has a big price : 2100€ (3100 $). In England (on the Internet), the FX7 has a price : 2100€ (the same as HD1000).
In such condition, it is obvious that I choose FX7.

I have reviewed the manual HD1000. It has more than 110 pages, while 10 suffice!
The HD1000, has no function "manuel" except one : the ring. The HD1000 is a camcorder from beginner (= HC7) and not professional. Its only advantage is to be shoulder.

I think the cam shoulder is a good thing. Sony will be released, early 2009, camcorder FX7 shoulder with 3CMOS 1/3 at a price : 3500€.

Daniel

William Hohauser · January 13th, 2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Rabranque

Greg and William Thank you for your responses.

In France, the HD1000 has a big price : 2100€ (3100 $). In England (on the Internet), the FX7 has a price : 2100€ (the same as HD1000).
In such condition, it is obvious that I choose FX7.

I have reviewed the manual HD1000. It has more than 110 pages, while 10 suffice!
The HD1000, has no function "manuel" except one : the ring. The HD1000 is a camcorder from beginner (= HC7) and not professional. Its only advantage is to be shoulder.

I think the cam shoulder is a good thing. Sony will be released, early 2009, camcorder FX7 shoulder with 3CMOS 1/3 at a price : 3500€.

Daniel

All you write is correct. "Professional" is a matter of specifics you need for your work. Quite frankly the image the HD1000 produces would have been considered "professional" 5 years ago. The camera controls are not what I would like (one more lens ring and an exposure button would have been good) but considering the reasonable price, it's fine.

The price in France for this camera is ridiculous. It should be roughly 50% more expensive than the HC7 as it is here in the US ($999 vs. $1599).

Greg Toope · January 13th, 2008, 08:09 PM

Well I did some more shooting with the camera today. Did some shots of the falls/rapids in our area. Thought it would be a good test for the camera. Also tried out the in camera slow motion feature. Sure it's more of a gimmick but at least you can see what its doing.

http://www.vimeo.com/606162

Daniel Rabranque · January 14th, 2008, 08:06 PM

William Thanks for your answers.
Greg, I look and look your tests. Thank you very much. Too bad, I do not understand when you speak, fortunately your clips were sufficiently explicit.

I found the test "Outdoor test at Park in Ottawa, Ontario" had many defects sharpness (lack of depth of field) and other failures which I do not know the name. Does it flashplayer9 (I have the latest version for sure) or HD1000U ?

Is it possible to load the rush original HD "Outdoor test at Park in Ottawa, Ontario" without loss, to see exactly what happens? If yes, how? Thank very much you Greg.

Greg Toope · January 14th, 2008, 10:50 PM

On vimeo it is a condition of the codec that makes the image pixelate ( i think i spelled that correctly ). Also that site doesnt allow for the original file type to be uploaded as it comes back with an error when i try (original is a .mov 1280x720 24p file format). I end up compressing to an m4v format which I use as the upload version. This file type is also used so that people can play the video back via their Xbox360 and or AppleTV.

Sara Jourhmane · January 15th, 2008, 02:51 PM

Does anyone if they work in Tapeless mode together ?

January 10th, 2008, 04:54 PM	#46
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Screen Grabs from the HD1000 These are some screen grabs from the HD1000 for your perusal. Everything is handheld with the camera in automatic except for the shutter which is set at 1/30. This has the effect of making stills a bit blurrier so don't take take that against the camera. Something you might take against the camera is illustrated between the shots "Gallery" and "Hanging Pictures". This is how the camera interpreted the white balance before and after going outside for some shots. At the time I wasn't sure if there was a difference so I didn't force the camera into manual WB but I did make sure the camera was in auto white balance. I have no explanation except that the gallery was illuminated by fluorescent. The gentleman in the pictures is Ron Diorio, a photo artist. His work can be seen at www.rondiorio.com. Attached Thumbnails __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation Last edited by William Hohauser; January 10th, 2008 at 04:56 PM. Reason: spelling

January 10th, 2008, 11:26 PM	#48
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	The stills are from video clips that are part of a short promotional piece. The posted stills are for inquisitive people to make a judgement about the image quality and performance of the camera. There's no reason yet to post clips but as I do more work that's not someone else's property I might post them if they show something extraordinary about the camera. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

January 12th, 2008, 04:55 PM	#52
Duane Steiner Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CA Posts: 195	Do you think the footage from the HD1000 will mix well with the Canon HV20? Also anyone try Impact batteries for it? Any other suggestions for accessories (bag, light etc)? __________________ www.speedandmotion.com

January 15th, 2008, 02:51 PM	#60
Sara Jourhmane Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York City Posts: 37	HVR-1000U And DR60 Hard Drive Does anyone if they work in Tapeless mode together ?

January 12th, 2008, 11:40 AM	#51
Greg Toope Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 60	That I couldnt tell you as I do not have an FX7. But the HD1000 seems to use the exact same video insides as the HC7 and A1U. Im hopefully going to take the camera out this Sunday or Monday to do some outdoor shooting with it. So Ill post as soon as I get them. All depends on the weather.

January 12th, 2008, 05:25 PM	#54
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	glad to hear it is good in low light. =) do you have any sample to show in low light conditions? thanks william!

January 13th, 2008, 07:08 AM	#55
Daniel Rabranque New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Lyon) Posts: 6	Greg and William Thank you for your responses. In France, the HD1000 has a big price : 2100€ (3100 $). In England (on the Internet), the FX7 has a price : 2100€ (the same as HD1000). In such condition, it is obvious that I choose FX7. I have reviewed the manual HD1000. It has more than 110 pages, while 10 suffice! The HD1000, has no function "manuel" except one : the ring. The HD1000 is a camcorder from beginner (= HC7) and not professional. Its only advantage is to be shoulder. I think the cam shoulder is a good thing. Sony will be released, early 2009, camcorder FX7 shoulder with 3CMOS 1/3 at a price : 3500€. Daniel

January 13th, 2008, 08:09 PM	#57
Greg Toope Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 60	Well I did some more shooting with the camera today. Did some shots of the falls/rapids in our area. Thought it would be a good test for the camera. Also tried out the in camera slow motion feature. Sure it's more of a gimmick but at least you can see what its doing. http://www.vimeo.com/606162

January 14th, 2008, 08:06 PM	#58
Daniel Rabranque New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France (Lyon) Posts: 6	William Thanks for your answers. Greg, I look and look your tests. Thank you very much. Too bad, I do not understand when you speak, fortunately your clips were sufficiently explicit. I found the test "Outdoor test at Park in Ottawa, Ontario" had many defects sharpness (lack of depth of field) and other failures which I do not know the name. Does it flashplayer9 (I have the latest version for sure) or HD1000U ? Is it possible to load the rush original HD "Outdoor test at Park in Ottawa, Ontario" without loss, to see exactly what happens? If yes, how? Thank very much you Greg.

January 14th, 2008, 10:50 PM	#59
Greg Toope Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 60	On vimeo it is a condition of the codec that makes the image pixelate ( i think i spelled that correctly ). Also that site doesnt allow for the original file type to be uploaded as it comes back with an error when i try (original is a .mov 1280x720 24p file format). I end up compressing to an m4v format which I use as the upload version. This file type is also used so that people can play the video back via their Xbox360 and or AppleTV.