Let's talk about the HDR-HC5 and HDR-HC7!

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 12th, 2007, 08:43 AM

The industry has standard tests, and has had a standard in testing for many years.
What you're asking about is a standard subjective test, which is also good for comparison, but it requires a business model that just doesn't apply here for purposes of revenue. The sites you mention all have significant revenue from sponsors and sales, and therefore can afford to block out an area that sits idle when they're not shooting. Much harder to do in this particular scenario.

Tony Tibbetts · January 12th, 2007, 03:33 PM

I wonder if the "Cinematic Mode" is more of a Cineframe24 style type pull down or if it is more like the 24fps implemented on the V1U?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 12th, 2007, 03:40 PM

As mentioned in other threads, the Cinematic mode is somewhat like the Cineframe24, although not the same, and nothing at all like the V1U with it's true 24p mode.

Dan Gonzales · January 13th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Does going from 1/60 to 1/30 double the lux rating? Will you loose 1/2 your resolution? My hc1 looks much better in 1/30 for low light, I knew the 2 lux had to be a marketing gimic. That would make it about 4 lux in 1/60 then right? Guess we'll just have to see the real world tests at 1/60th.

Stu Holmes · January 14th, 2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Gonzales

Does going from 1/60 to 1/30 double the lux rating? Will you loose 1/2 your resolution? My hc1 looks much better in 1/30 for low light, I knew the 2 lux had to be a marketing gimic. That would make it about 4 lux in 1/60 then right? Guess we'll just have to see the real world tests at 1/60th.

HC7 will absolutely be considerably better than HC1 in low light situ's at same shutter-speed (ie.. low light).

1/30th etc is quite usable in most situations and i think Sony has done well to implement a mode to automatically drop shutter to this level as often people (users) just wont have the wherewithawl to know that dropping the shutter in on-the-edge situ's will help them enourmously. (subejct to obvious camera-shake and subject movement issues etc)

Fred Foronda · January 17th, 2007, 02:03 PM

Bottom line are these any better than the HC3? PQ wise??

Bob Zimmerman · January 20th, 2007, 08:43 AM

What about the sound recording on the HC7? I thought I read it would have a hot shoe, extra plug for a mic and headset. What is the sound quailty on these cameras? Could you stick a good mic on the HC7 and would it compare to Sony A1U or close. I'm wondering if the video might be better.

I'm thinking save $1,000 bucks get the HC7 a stick a good mic on it.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 20th, 2007, 11:11 AM

It is very close to the A1, but not all the great features. The audio does allow for external, so with a Beachtek and great mic, you'll have great audio.

Bob Zimmerman · January 21st, 2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

It is very close to the A1, but not all the great features. The audio does allow for external, so with a Beachtek and great mic, you'll have great audio.

Thanks Spot. Buy something like the HC7 add a good mic and a Beachtek or get the A1U that has that already. ( I think the mic is ok on the A1U).

I guess I'll wait and see what the price on the HC7 will be when it is released or a month after it is.

George Ellis · January 21st, 2007, 06:23 PM

DSE, have you done the jump with the HC-7 yet? I am wondering how it is handling POV/Extreme use. With the audio in, this makes it very interesting.

Bob Zimmerman · January 24th, 2007, 11:16 AM

I'm looking for a good mic. I know this isn't the HC7, but probably close. But using a mic like this looks like overkill!! Can anyone recommend a good, but smaller mic for a small camcorder like the HC7.

I want somthing that can be used for podcast and other web based video.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22...gs120_left.jpg

Colin Sato · February 1st, 2007, 02:47 AM

I'm using the Rode and like it a lot. I "guerilla'd" a blimp for it to use outside cause the stock foam filter still let too much wind noise through.

However, the Rode doesn't plug into the computerdue to the way it's wired. I ended up getting a Samson QU1 for voice over work. Seems fine to me.

Craig Irving · February 2nd, 2007, 11:43 AM

How would you guys be mounting the Rode Videomic onto the Sony AIS, out of curiosity?

Dan Peterson · February 2nd, 2007, 04:01 PM

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Michael Eskin · February 3rd, 2007, 12:27 PM

I'm trying to decide whether to wait for the HDR-HC7 or buy a very low hours Panasonic DVC-30 for $1200 (or a PD170 for around $2K). My main application is recording music instructional videos and live traditional music in pub settings. I'm very intrigued by the low light capabilities claimed for the HC7. HDV is not my primary requirement, but having a smaller camera with excellent low light would I think be more attractive than the larger DVC30, assuming the low light capabilities are close. Any suggestions?

January 12th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#16
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	The industry has standard tests, and has had a standard in testing for many years. What you're asking about is a standard subjective test, which is also good for comparison, but it requires a business model that just doesn't apply here for purposes of revenue. The sites you mention all have significant revenue from sponsors and sales, and therefore can afford to block out an area that sits idle when they're not shooting. Much harder to do in this particular scenario. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 12th, 2007, 03:40 PM	#18
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	As mentioned in other threads, the Cinematic mode is somewhat like the Cineframe24, although not the same, and nothing at all like the V1U with it's true 24p mode. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 13th, 2007, 12:42 PM	#19
Dan Gonzales Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alton IL Posts: 46	1/30th vs 1/60th Does going from 1/60 to 1/30 double the lux rating? Will you loose 1/2 your resolution? My hc1 looks much better in 1/30 for low light, I knew the 2 lux had to be a marketing gimic. That would make it about 4 lux in 1/60 then right? Guess we'll just have to see the real world tests at 1/60th.

January 17th, 2007, 02:03 PM	#21
Fred Foronda Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 337	Bottom line are these any better than the HC3? PQ wise?? __________________ Making Family Videos Not To Look Like Family Videos

January 20th, 2007, 11:11 AM	#23
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	It is very close to the A1, but not all the great features. The audio does allow for external, so with a Beachtek and great mic, you'll have great audio. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 12th, 2007, 03:33 PM	#17
Tony Tibbetts Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 385	I wonder if the "Cinematic Mode" is more of a Cineframe24 style type pull down or if it is more like the 24fps implemented on the V1U?

January 20th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#22
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	What about the sound recording on the HC7? I thought I read it would have a hot shoe, extra plug for a mic and headset. What is the sound quailty on these cameras? Could you stick a good mic on the HC7 and would it compare to Sony A1U or close. I'm wondering if the video might be better. I'm thinking save $1,000 bucks get the HC7 a stick a good mic on it.

January 21st, 2007, 06:23 PM	#25
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	DSE, have you done the jump with the HC-7 yet? I am wondering how it is handling POV/Extreme use. With the audio in, this makes it very interesting.

January 24th, 2007, 11:16 AM	#26
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	I'm looking for a good mic. I know this isn't the HC7, but probably close. But using a mic like this looks like overkill!! Can anyone recommend a good, but smaller mic for a small camcorder like the HC7. I want somthing that can be used for podcast and other web based video. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22...gs120_left.jpg

February 1st, 2007, 02:47 AM	#27
Colin Sato Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 85	I'm using the Rode and like it a lot. I "guerilla'd" a blimp for it to use outside cause the stock foam filter still let too much wind noise through. However, the Rode doesn't plug into the computerdue to the way it's wired. I ended up getting a Samson QU1 for voice over work. Seems fine to me.

February 2nd, 2007, 11:43 AM	#28
Craig Irving Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 539	How would you guys be mounting the Rode Videomic onto the Sony AIS, out of curiosity?

February 2nd, 2007, 04:01 PM	#29
Dan Peterson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 61	message deleted Last edited by Dan Peterson; February 2nd, 2007 at 06:18 PM.

February 3rd, 2007, 12:27 PM	#30
Michael Eskin Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73	I'm trying to decide whether to wait for the HDR-HC7 or buy a very low hours Panasonic DVC-30 for $1200 (or a PD170 for around $2K). My main application is recording music instructional videos and live traditional music in pub settings. I'm very intrigued by the low light capabilities claimed for the HC7. HDV is not my primary requirement, but having a smaller camera with excellent low light would I think be more attractive than the larger DVC30, assuming the low light capabilities are close. Any suggestions?