A1 & HC3 question......

[Rob Gregory-Browne]

Well, I'm speaking from initial impressions and am not afraid to revise my opinion if needed, but I have a feeling it won't change. I've seen footage of other users and have not been impressed.

Other than that, however, I think the A1U is a great little camera. I'm thinking of buying another.

[Peter Ferling]

Did some test in post. Shot a tiger centipede crawling across the floor, then panned a landscape from top of our building. Yuck. Not sure about the A1, but there noticeably less details in the cinema effect. Your forced to put the HC1 into auto lock mode for this, so you have zero options. Best to do 24p in post from 1080i source with the HC1 (my opinion). My guess is that the A1 allows more settings, but uses the same internal method as the HC1.

Still, agree with Rob, it's a decent HDV cam.

[John McManimie]

Originally Posted by Jake London

I totally get the limitations of these cameras in the realm of 24fps.
Like I said before I work with the HVX so really anything important is covered.

I just wanted something small for the beach and pool that at least had a fake 24fps look to it.

It just is a look I prefer, in no way am I seeking perfection from the HC3.

Any Mac based programs that work like cineform?

Thanks for all the great input guys!

I think you will be happy with the camera since it will be small and will probably work quite well with the auto settings, allowing you to enjoy your vacation and be a tourist instead of a camera operator.

Sony lists CineFrame as a "film-type look imaging 24/30 (in HDV-2 1080i, 23.98 as interlaced fields with 2:3 pulldown within an overall 29.97 frame rate/59.94 field rate)".

So, inverse pulldown should work. Final Cut Pro will do this with Cinema Tools and a reverse telecine. Christopher Coppola uses this method to insert Z1U shots (that were missed in the field) and later color corrects them to match his VariCam shots for his show "The Biker Chef". In addition, you could use something like Lumiere HD (http://www.lumierehd.com/) --- sort of Cineform-like, I guess...

HDLink just provides an easy way to do this in one step for those who wish to use the Cineform codec on a PC.

[James Gerber]

Is Cinema-Effect the exact same thing as CineFrame minus the manual adjustments?

(just because the two keep getting used interchangably)

I don't have the funds to purchase correct software that will allow me to capture the video in the whole 'pulldown' thing, so I guess I'll never have a non-biased opinion on it.

I do have another question though, If I view my video captured in the Cinema-Effect from my camera hooked up to an HD-TV... with it properly show the footage? or is the ONLY way to properly view footage taken with Cinema-Effect to actually capture it first with the proper pulldown, the view it?

jg

[John McManimie]

Originally Posted by James Gerber

Is Cinema-Effect the exact same thing as CineFrame minus the manual adjustments?

Yes, it is basically Cineframe24 on auto.

Originally Posted by James Gerber

I don't have the funds to purchase correct software that will allow me to capture the video in the whole 'pulldown' thing, so I guess I'll never have a non-biased opinion on it.

I think that you can do inverse telecine in AVISynth and some other FREE tools.

Originally Posted by James Gerber

I do have another question though, If I view my video captured in the Cinema-Effect from my camera hooked up to an HD-TV... with it properly show the footage? or is the ONLY way to properly view footage taken with Cinema-Effect to actually capture it first with the proper pulldown, the view it?

You'll really need to give it a try. It is really best if the target is SD because there is a loss of resolution (but the resulting resolution is still higher than a Canon SD camcorder in Frame Movie mode).

[Jeff Jennings]

I am considering upgrading to HD video. Currently have a mixture of Sony DV cameras which I use for making sea kayaking videos.
My main concern is whether the compression needed for HD will produce serious motion artefacts. Sitting in a kayak going up and down with waves and action all around how will HD compression cope?
To see what kind of action I mean have a look at this video which is highly compressed.
http://www.vision.net.au/~jennings/p.../pirates13.wmv
Any advice much appreciated
JJ

[Heath McKnight]

When we used CineFrame 24 on my flick 3 Sisters Jon Fordham and I knew that rapid movement of both actors and camera would create distortion of the image. We were very careful and found it to work.

CineForm allows you to remove the pulldown, which gives you 24p. This is for PC-based NLEs only.

You could always shoot in 60i and use any number of 24p filters.

heath

[Forrest Schultz]

Heath, what is the link to your film 3 sisters, the link above doesnt work.

[Heath McKnight]

I fixed it.

hwm