HC3 PAL raise to 1600$ on B&H... wtf! at DVinfo.net

Thierry H. Fortier · May 7th, 2006, 09:55 AM

wouaaaaah! im so piss off! I was planning buying the Pal HC3 soon but suddenly B&H raise the price to 1599$ compare to 1359$ for the ntsc version...

last week it was only around 50$ more!

is it a strategy cause they have short supply or what? no way im gonna buy it at this price.

Boyd Ostroff · May 7th, 2006, 10:12 AM

Generally speaking, B&H sells PAL cameras for more than NTSC - or at least that has been the case when I've looked at them before. Since we're in an NTSC country they obviously sell a lot more NTSC cameras which I assume gives them a price advantage.

Thierry H. Fortier · May 7th, 2006, 11:51 AM

the pal version of the hd100 is 4$ more...

Boyd Ostroff · May 7th, 2006, 12:44 PM

Maybe you should buy an HD100? ;-)

But seriously, if you don't understand their pricing policy then give them a call and ask. I don't think any of us can really answer your question....

Thierry H. Fortier · May 7th, 2006, 01:00 PM

hd100... haaaaa! if only I could!

yeah, you right... but if somebody have a good alternative for buy Pal cam online with international shipping, I will be pretty interrested earing it!

I actually start to give up the pal thing... maybe I should get the ntsc and start shooting today giving up the nice 24p conversion...

EDIT; wow, you have 7000 posts!

Floris van Eck · May 8th, 2006, 05:23 AM

I think it is quite logical that a US store selling PAL equipment will ask a premium for that equipment. It is harder to achieve, and I still think that the pricing is amazing considering the fact that they will have to pay import taxes. I would go for PAL equipment if you live in Europe and vice versa.

Am I right that with HDV, there is no big difference anymore between PAL and NTSC models?

Leo Pepingco · May 8th, 2006, 07:02 AM

The only difference with PAL and NTSC High Def cameras is their SD modes. If its HDV, we all use either 1080, or 720. And sooner or later, it will all be 1080i and 1080p. HD is the media answer to globalism... *shakes fist at G8*

Martin Sinclair · May 8th, 2006, 07:48 AM

Don't forget the framerate! 50i PAL, 60i NTSC

I just picked up a PAL HC3 in Australia for ~ $1500 USD and that was the lowest price I could find...so $1600 seems normal to me.

Thierry H. Fortier · May 8th, 2006, 07:51 AM

along with file sharing! ;P

The hdv format will be the same but the framerate will change from ntsc to pal; PAL will be 50i and ntsc 60i (for hc3) along with shutter speed. Using a pal camcorder in america will give you flickers if you shoot fluorescent lights.

I will get a better convertion to 24p with pal by slowing down the footage by 4% keeping the audio on pitch. A lot better than the stuttering compromise with 60i footage.

Also some report having better compression overall. (marginal at best I think)

What piss me off is the fact I miss the chance to get it for 200$ cheaper last week... Im quite on a tight budget and that 200$ was suppose to go on a M2 35mm adapter...

Marco Leavitt · May 8th, 2006, 08:20 AM

Martin, does your HC3 do 1080i at 50 fps? I was under the impression that HDV was always 60i.

Stu Holmes · May 8th, 2006, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Leavitt

Martin, does your HC3 do 1080i at 50 fps? I was under the impression that HDV was always 60i.

jumping in slightly......
PAL HDV cams shoot at 50i. Default shutter on the Sony HDV cams i 1/50th sec PAL and 1/60th sec NTSC. Frame rate obviously is different : 25fps PAL and 30fps NTSC (29.97 for the pedants..)

Marco Leavitt · May 8th, 2006, 02:39 PM

I'm kind of confused about this. The PAL version of the FX1 (FX1E) doesn't list 50i in HDV. It only lists 50i for PAL recordings.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

I believe the Z1 can do 50i can't it? That's why I was wondering if the HC3 could do 50i at HDV resolutions.

Stu Holmes · May 8th, 2006, 04:53 PM

FX1E definitely shoots in 50i, in HDV mode and in DV mode.
1080/50i in HDV and 576/50i in SD PAL mode.

All models of the Z1, Z1U / Z1E etc, are switchable between 50i and 60i so basically you can shoot in PAL mode or NTSC mode, so footage can be shot for global markets whether they be PAL or NTSC based.

May 7th, 2006, 09:55 AM	#1
Thierry H. Fortier Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 39	HC3 PAL raise to 1600$ on B&H... wtf! wouaaaaah! im so piss off! I was planning buying the Pal HC3 soon but suddenly B&H raise the price to 1599$ compare to 1359$ for the ntsc version... last week it was only around 50$ more! is it a strategy cause they have short supply or what? no way im gonna buy it at this price.

May 7th, 2006, 01:00 PM	#5
Thierry H. Fortier Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 39	hd100... haaaaa! if only I could! yeah, you right... but if somebody have a good alternative for buy Pal cam online with international shipping, I will be pretty interrested earing it! I actually start to give up the pal thing... maybe I should get the ntsc and start shooting today giving up the nice 24p conversion... EDIT; wow, you have 7000 posts! Last edited by Thierry H. Fortier; May 7th, 2006 at 02:07 PM.

May 7th, 2006, 10:12 AM	#2
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	Generally speaking, B&H sells PAL cameras for more than NTSC - or at least that has been the case when I've looked at them before. Since we're in an NTSC country they obviously sell a lot more NTSC cameras which I assume gives them a price advantage.

May 7th, 2006, 11:51 AM	#3
Thierry H. Fortier Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 39	the pal version of the hd100 is 4$ more...

May 7th, 2006, 12:44 PM	#4
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	Maybe you should buy an HD100? ;-) But seriously, if you don't understand their pricing policy then give them a call and ask. I don't think any of us can really answer your question....

May 8th, 2006, 05:23 AM	#6
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	I think it is quite logical that a US store selling PAL equipment will ask a premium for that equipment. It is harder to achieve, and I still think that the pricing is amazing considering the fact that they will have to pay import taxes. I would go for PAL equipment if you live in Europe and vice versa. Am I right that with HDV, there is no big difference anymore between PAL and NTSC models?

May 8th, 2006, 07:02 AM	#7
Leo Pepingco Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 275	The only difference with PAL and NTSC High Def cameras is their SD modes. If its HDV, we all use either 1080, or 720. And sooner or later, it will all be 1080i and 1080p. HD is the media answer to globalism... shakes fist at G8

May 8th, 2006, 07:48 AM	#8
Martin Sinclair New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 14	Don't forget the framerate! 50i PAL, 60i NTSC I just picked up a PAL HC3 in Australia for ~ $1500 USD and that was the lowest price I could find...so $1600 seems normal to me.

May 8th, 2006, 07:51 AM	#9
Thierry H. Fortier Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 39	along with file sharing! ;P The hdv format will be the same but the framerate will change from ntsc to pal; PAL will be 50i and ntsc 60i (for hc3) along with shutter speed. Using a pal camcorder in america will give you flickers if you shoot fluorescent lights. I will get a better convertion to 24p with pal by slowing down the footage by 4% keeping the audio on pitch. A lot better than the stuttering compromise with 60i footage. Also some report having better compression overall. (marginal at best I think) What piss me off is the fact I miss the chance to get it for 200$ cheaper last week... Im quite on a tight budget and that 200$ was suppose to go on a M2 35mm adapter...

May 8th, 2006, 08:20 AM	#10
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Martin, does your HC3 do 1080i at 50 fps? I was under the impression that HDV was always 60i.

May 8th, 2006, 02:39 PM	#12
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I'm kind of confused about this. The PAL version of the FX1 (FX1E) doesn't list 50i in HDV. It only lists 50i for PAL recordings. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search I believe the Z1 can do 50i can't it? That's why I was wondering if the HC3 could do 50i at HDV resolutions.

May 8th, 2006, 04:53 PM	#13
Stu Holmes Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 844	FX1E definitely shoots in 50i, in HDV mode and in DV mode. 1080/50i in HDV and 576/50i in SD PAL mode. All models of the Z1, Z1U / Z1E etc, are switchable between 50i and 60i so basically you can shoot in PAL mode or NTSC mode, so footage can be shot for global markets whether they be PAL or NTSC based.