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Kris Galuska · April 6th, 2006, 06:50 PM

Do any of you use the A1u as your main camera on paid gigs? I am considering the camera, but I’m concerned that the size will be underwhelming for my clients. I know Quality of the work is more important than the tool, but since I am just starting, I want to look professional.

This is the main reason I’m considering the Panasonic DVC60. If I walk into an event with the DVC60 on my shoulder they will instantly assume I’m a professional (whether that’s true or not). If I walk in with the A1U, they might think I’m a consumer with a nice gadget.

Personally, I’d much rather shoot in HD (A1u), but I also like the more professional cameras that have specific dials for shutter speed and aperture (not to mention a larger focus ring).

I was hoping to stay around $2,000 for the camera, which both A1 and DVC60 are (after rebates).

What do you think? Is the A1u gig worthy (corporate, music videos, short films)? Would the DVC60 be a good choice?

Any opinions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

-Kris

Alex Thames · April 6th, 2006, 07:13 PM

I think if you leave the audio module with microphone on, it starts to look more professional. The Lens Hood helps the look too, and the more you accessorize, then more professional it looks, in my opinion. I find that adding a Spiderbrace 2 really gives the A1 a professional oomph in the looks department too. Then, if you attach a second shockmount and mic on top of the audio module, or a video light or something there, it looks even more impressive. If you have small DOV adaptors or wideangle lens, you can add those on as well.

By itself, the A1 might look like a typical consumer camcorder, but with a few accessories, I haven't had a problem with not looking professional.

Kris Galuska · April 6th, 2006, 08:13 PM

Well if I go with the A1U, do you know a good steady cam under $500 (as far as possible) that will work for it and bigger, heavier cameras in the future.

One of my philosophies is to spend less on cameras (they are always changing) and spend more on equipment that can be used on future cameras.

Thanks,
Kris

Alex Thames · April 6th, 2006, 10:12 PM

You can use the Spiderbrace for many types of cameras, big and small, but it's not a real steadicam, although I feel it makes my shots extremely steady as opposed to handheld (even with image stabilizer).

Peter Ferling · April 7th, 2006, 06:34 AM

Definetly would recommend a shoulder rig such as the spider brace. The problem with palm-size cams, even if professional, is how light they are, and you get movement that suggests a home-made hand-held shot. Adding accessories, and the brace would help to make the camera "heavy", and the shots will look more professional.

(BTW, this is the reason I chose the XL1s over the GL1. The camera was heavier, especially when accessorized, and hand held shots appeared 'heavy', as if shot from a large format 30lb, cam. When I wanted the 'home-made' hand-held shot, I would mount the cam onto a thin metal flange on top of a should rig, the flange would add some wobble and make the camera feel and behave as if it was very light).

It's not the outward appearance of the cam, but what goes on tape that matters.

Dave Halliday · April 7th, 2006, 09:26 AM

If you're really into client oriented videography, definitely don't go with the A1. the DVC60 will have the more professional look and manual controls to make sure you never mess up a shot.

To be sure, the A1 fits a niche, but its not the "impress clients and improve workflow" niche that you're looking for.

Laurence Kingston · April 7th, 2006, 11:55 AM

I'd get the A1 over the DVC60. HDV resolution is about four times more pixels than any SD camera. I know people will disagree, but slight red problems and all, the output of the A1/HC1 makes the output of even the best SD cameras look like lo-rez webcams. The difference is not some slight subtle thing. It's "knock you on the head" obvious! Yeah you lose a bunch of this difference when you downrez to an SD DVD, but that is just a temporary situation. Get the A1!

Jeff DeMaagd · April 12th, 2006, 08:44 PM

There seem to be quite a lot of people that use this camera for paying work. While the larger cameras generally shoot better video, this is mostly about psychology, a big camera can hurt as well, by being intimidating.

Heck, some people think this camera is big. Add a bunch of the necessary accessories to make the most of the camera and you should do well. If you can dig up the "Laurence's Rig" thread or .PoNeH's recent post.

Chris Forbes · April 13th, 2006, 04:40 PM

Just my opinion since u asked, but don't you think the dvc60 looks a lot like grandpa's vhs camcorder?

Not to offend anyone who has one but that is the first thing I think of when I see it. Go with image quality. Just my 2 cents

April 6th, 2006, 06:50 PM	#1
Kris Galuska Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY, NY Posts: 59	To small for gigs? Do any of you use the A1u as your main camera on paid gigs? I am considering the camera, but I’m concerned that the size will be underwhelming for my clients. I know Quality of the work is more important than the tool, but since I am just starting, I want to look professional. This is the main reason I’m considering the Panasonic DVC60. If I walk into an event with the DVC60 on my shoulder they will instantly assume I’m a professional (whether that’s true or not). If I walk in with the A1U, they might think I’m a consumer with a nice gadget. Personally, I’d much rather shoot in HD (A1u), but I also like the more professional cameras that have specific dials for shutter speed and aperture (not to mention a larger focus ring). I was hoping to stay around $2,000 for the camera, which both A1 and DVC60 are (after rebates). What do you think? Is the A1u gig worthy (corporate, music videos, short films)? Would the DVC60 be a good choice? Any opinions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -Kris

April 13th, 2006, 04:40 PM	#9
Chris Forbes Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Ut Posts: 155	Hmm Just my opinion since u asked, but don't you think the dvc60 looks a lot like grandpa's vhs camcorder? Not to offend anyone who has one but that is the first thing I think of when I see it. Go with image quality. Just my 2 cents

April 6th, 2006, 07:13 PM	#2
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	I think if you leave the audio module with microphone on, it starts to look more professional. The Lens Hood helps the look too, and the more you accessorize, then more professional it looks, in my opinion. I find that adding a Spiderbrace 2 really gives the A1 a professional oomph in the looks department too. Then, if you attach a second shockmount and mic on top of the audio module, or a video light or something there, it looks even more impressive. If you have small DOV adaptors or wideangle lens, you can add those on as well. By itself, the A1 might look like a typical consumer camcorder, but with a few accessories, I haven't had a problem with not looking professional.

April 6th, 2006, 08:13 PM	#3
Kris Galuska Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY, NY Posts: 59	Well if I go with the A1U, do you know a good steady cam under $500 (as far as possible) that will work for it and bigger, heavier cameras in the future. One of my philosophies is to spend less on cameras (they are always changing) and spend more on equipment that can be used on future cameras. Thanks, Kris

April 6th, 2006, 10:12 PM	#4
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	You can use the Spiderbrace for many types of cameras, big and small, but it's not a real steadicam, although I feel it makes my shots extremely steady as opposed to handheld (even with image stabilizer).

April 7th, 2006, 06:34 AM	#5
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	Definetly would recommend a shoulder rig such as the spider brace. The problem with palm-size cams, even if professional, is how light they are, and you get movement that suggests a home-made hand-held shot. Adding accessories, and the brace would help to make the camera "heavy", and the shots will look more professional. (BTW, this is the reason I chose the XL1s over the GL1. The camera was heavier, especially when accessorized, and hand held shots appeared 'heavy', as if shot from a large format 30lb, cam. When I wanted the 'home-made' hand-held shot, I would mount the cam onto a thin metal flange on top of a should rig, the flange would add some wobble and make the camera feel and behave as if it was very light). It's not the outward appearance of the cam, but what goes on tape that matters.

April 7th, 2006, 09:26 AM	#6
Dave Halliday Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 116	If you're really into client oriented videography, definitely don't go with the A1. the DVC60 will have the more professional look and manual controls to make sure you never mess up a shot. To be sure, the A1 fits a niche, but its not the "impress clients and improve workflow" niche that you're looking for.

April 7th, 2006, 11:55 AM	#7
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	I'd get the A1 over the DVC60. HDV resolution is about four times more pixels than any SD camera. I know people will disagree, but slight red problems and all, the output of the A1/HC1 makes the output of even the best SD cameras look like lo-rez webcams. The difference is not some slight subtle thing. It's "knock you on the head" obvious! Yeah you lose a bunch of this difference when you downrez to an SD DVD, but that is just a temporary situation. Get the A1!

April 12th, 2006, 08:44 PM	#8
Jeff DeMaagd Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI, USA Posts: 202	There seem to be quite a lot of people that use this camera for paying work. While the larger cameras generally shoot better video, this is mostly about psychology, a big camera can hurt as well, by being intimidating. Heck, some people think this camera is big. Add a bunch of the necessary accessories to make the most of the camera and you should do well. If you can dig up the "Laurence's Rig" thread or .PoNeH's recent post.