A1 Doesn't Have 24p, But... at DVinfo.net

Frank Howard · March 23rd, 2006, 06:31 PM

OK. I know the A1 doesn't have true 24p. And I know the other processes causes the A1 pulldown output to lose resolution in the process.

But...

Being the original quality is HD, do any of these alternatives still produce a better end product for film than the DV 24p cameras such as the DVX100s, etc.?

Steve Mullen · March 23rd, 2006, 06:36 PM

Of course, the JVC HD100 is true 24p HDV and not all that expensive and many times a beeter camera than the A1.

Alex Thames · March 23rd, 2006, 08:18 PM

The JVC HD100, if I did the search correctly, is extremely expensive, especially when compared to the A1.

Is this the camera you're talking about? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont....x=0&image.y=0

Frank Howard · March 23rd, 2006, 09:20 PM

Yep, the $5,000+ terrain is a little rich for my blood. Gorgeous, but I couldn't possibly pull it off. But I can drool from afar, no?

I would be simply overjoyed, just to know that the A1 would produce a better pic than the DVs like the DVX100 when transfered to film or downgraded to SD (if that's the case).

Mikko Lopponen · March 25th, 2006, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Howard

I would be simply overjoyed, just to know that the A1 would produce a better pic than the DVs like the DVX100 when transfered to film or downgraded to SD (if that's the case).

It probably would. It has 1440x1080 resolution and even if you deinterlace it by just dropping the fields it would still be 1440x540. Although the mpeg2 coding would produce some artifacts into the picture. The a1 does need more light.

Riley Harmon · April 1st, 2006, 10:44 PM

shoot with cinema effect and then use aspect hd to remove pulldown upon capture and viola! 24p

Riley Harmon · April 1st, 2006, 10:45 PM

i believe you might be able to use cinema tools as well

Alexander Karol · April 7th, 2006, 07:47 AM

Have you guys seen this 24p look footage from the HC1? Truly amazing:

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/..._720p_900k.wmv

He used Avid's 24p template to render and tweaked the gamma curves.

Riley Harmon · April 7th, 2006, 07:54 AM

alexander, do you have a link to how he did that in avid?

Alexander Karol · April 7th, 2006, 10:08 AM

It is being discussed in SHDVI's forum but we haven't heard from him yet. Here' the link to the thread:

http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=4612

R.P. Cuenco · April 7th, 2006, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley Harmon

i believe you might be able to use cinema tools as well

Nil on the cinema tools, it doesn't like hdv footage :-(

edit: just looked at that footage (the one with the avid trick) ....drool....

March 23rd, 2006, 06:31 PM	#1
Frank Howard Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 157	A1 Doesn't Have 24p, But... OK. I know the A1 doesn't have true 24p. And I know the other processes causes the A1 pulldown output to lose resolution in the process. But... Being the original quality is HD, do any of these alternatives still produce a better end product for film than the DV 24p cameras such as the DVX100s, etc.?

March 23rd, 2006, 06:36 PM	#2
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Of course, the JVC HD100 is true 24p HDV and not all that expensive and many times a beeter camera than the A1. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

March 23rd, 2006, 08:18 PM	#3
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	The JVC HD100, if I did the search correctly, is extremely expensive, especially when compared to the A1. Is this the camera you're talking about? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont....x=0&image.y=0

March 23rd, 2006, 09:20 PM	#4
Frank Howard Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 157	Yep, the $5,000+ terrain is a little rich for my blood. Gorgeous, but I couldn't possibly pull it off. But I can drool from afar, no? I would be simply overjoyed, just to know that the A1 would produce a better pic than the DVs like the DVX100 when transfered to film or downgraded to SD (if that's the case).

April 1st, 2006, 10:44 PM	#6
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	shoot with cinema effect and then use aspect hd to remove pulldown upon capture and viola! 24p

April 1st, 2006, 10:45 PM	#7
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	i believe you might be able to use cinema tools as well

April 7th, 2006, 07:47 AM	#8
Alexander Karol Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 198	Have you guys seen this 24p look footage from the HC1? Truly amazing: http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/..._720p_900k.wmv He used Avid's 24p template to render and tweaked the gamma curves.

April 7th, 2006, 07:54 AM	#9
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	alexander, do you have a link to how he did that in avid?

April 7th, 2006, 10:08 AM	#10
Alexander Karol Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 198	It is being discussed in SHDVI's forum but we haven't heard from him yet. Here' the link to the thread: http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=4612