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Leon Bruk · January 14th, 2006, 10:49 PM

Can't Make Final Decision Between Sony Hvr-a1u Or Panasonic Ag 100a
Any Idea?

Brian Rhodes · January 15th, 2006, 01:07 AM

Sony HDR-FX1 vs. the Sony DVW-709, the Sony DSR-570, and the Panasonic AG-DVX100a

http://www.filmguideseattle.com/hdr-fx1.htm

Fredrik-Larsson · January 15th, 2006, 05:10 AM

If you just want to use SD then the DVX100 is probably better but if you want HDV then the DVX100 is out since it's only SD. What kind of stuff are you going to shoot?

Alexander Karol · January 15th, 2006, 09:14 AM

You are comparing apples and oranges. Are you going to use the superior resolution of HDV? Or are you mainly using SD? If the latter is your case, stick to the Pana. Not because it has 3CCDs, but because you'll get more manual controls with it. The performance of the CMOS and the 3CCD chip will be unoticeable really. Having more manual control will lead to superior footage.

Leon Bruk · January 17th, 2006, 10:53 PM

I Want To Shoot Concerts And Some Music Performers In My Home
I Need Good Sharp Picture And A Good Sound
I Think Hvr A1u Is Good For Me But What About Panasonic Ag Dvx200?

Alexander Karol · January 17th, 2006, 10:59 PM

Lol, you're again comparing apples and oranges. If sharpness of pictures are your main concern, then the A1U will definetely be your best option. HDV has four times the resolution of SD.

Jeff Zimmerman · January 21st, 2006, 03:10 AM

The A1U has some pretty nice XLR inputs for mixer line feeds. Also it has a pretty good picture over any SD camera. This thing beats out my Betacam I sold this last fall. Plus if you plan on viewing in the future HD format is the future. 16 by 9 will be standard soon enough... You might regret the 4 by 3 image later.

Good Luck!

Bob Zimmerman · January 23rd, 2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Zimmerman

The A1U has some pretty nice XLR inputs for mixer line feeds. Also it has a pretty good picture over any SD camera. This thing beats out my Betacam I sold this last fall. Plus if you plan on viewing in the future HD format is the future. 16 by 9 will be standard soon enough... You might regret the 4 by 3 image later.

Good Luck!

Hi Jeff,,,are any of the video's on your website shot with the A1? Nice work.

January 26th, 2006, 11:46 PM

I am a little confused, and would appreciate any clarification regarding whether the Sony HDR-HC1 and the Sony HVR-A1 shoot in true 16:9?

I read the following on the web:

FX1 has 16:9 CCDs (960x1080 pixels each)
HC1 has a 4:3 sensor, 2.9MegaPixel gross

Are the HC1 and the A1 only 4:3?

Thanks in advance.

Laurence Kingston · January 27th, 2006, 01:14 AM

The HC1 has a 4:3 sensor, but it only shoots HDV in true 16:9. The extra pixels are used for the still camera function which is about a 3 megapixel 4:3 image. The extra pixels are also used for the EIS (electronic image stabilization).

January 27th, 2006, 01:34 AM

Laurence,
from everything I had read including HC1 manual I had thought it was a true 16:9 aspect ratio camera, but then a well known Digital Transfer Owner made the following remark in an email to me:

Since these cameras [HC1-A1U]are not widescreen we don't recommend them for movie work.

Which also had lead to my confusion.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

Milt Lee · January 30th, 2006, 10:02 PM

What I've been wondering about is - how do the dvx100a and the hc1 compare to each other?

Has anybody shot them both side by side. I'm just curious what the actual quality of the image is like - or not alike.

Yes, I know it's 2 totally different things - but really - I would love to have an idea of how the 2 looked, so I could make a choice about a second camera.

Thanks,
Milt Lee

Bob Zimmerman · January 30th, 2006, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Bersoza

Laurence,
from everything I had read including HC1 manual I had thought it was a true 16:9 aspect ratio camera, but then a well known Digital Transfer Owner made the following remark in an email to me:

Since these cameras [HC1-A1U]are not widescreen we don't recommend them for movie work.

Which also had lead to my confusion.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

If a camera is HDV is it 16:9?

Milt Lee · January 30th, 2006, 10:38 PM

My friend, Chuck Olson of Minnesota Stories - http://mnstories.com just got one of these cameras and it was soooo much fun. and it has a really long flip out window - so my impression was that it is wide screen. I could be wrong.
M.

Graham Hickling · January 30th, 2006, 11:43 PM

Yes the HC1 and A1 both record true widescreen HDV!

To re-paraphrase Lawrence: The HC1 has a 4:3 sensor, but it shoots HDV using a wide-screen shaped subset of those pixels.

The extra pixels (i.e., above and below the area used for video) are used for the still camera function, which produces a 4:3 image.

Bob, the recorded HDV has a resolution of 1440x1080 resolution, so the 16:9 final image is achieved in part by using non-square pixels. In contrast, the JVC HD1 records 1280x720, which is 16:9 with square pixels. This MAY be what your guys was referring to?

As far as I know HDV footage is always 16:9. (The Sony cameras' 1080i, and the JVC's 720p30 and 480p60 modes, are all 16:9).

January 14th, 2006, 10:49 PM	#1
Leon Bruk New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10	Cmos Vs 3ccd Can't Make Final Decision Between Sony Hvr-a1u Or Panasonic Ag 100a Any Idea?

January 15th, 2006, 05:10 AM	#3
Fredrik-Larsson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 395	If you just want to use SD then the DVX100 is probably better but if you want HDV then the DVX100 is out since it's only SD. What kind of stuff are you going to shoot? __________________ The Russian Captain (upcoming feature) http://trc-movie.blogspot.com/ My movies http://www.larssonfilm.com/

January 17th, 2006, 10:53 PM	#5
Leon Bruk New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10	Cmos Vs 3ccd I Want To Shoot Concerts And Some Music Performers In My Home I Need Good Sharp Picture And A Good Sound I Think Hvr A1u Is Good For Me But What About Panasonic Ag Dvx200?

January 21st, 2006, 03:10 AM	#7
Jeff Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton, Colorado Posts: 386	A1U Your Choice The A1U has some pretty nice XLR inputs for mixer line feeds. Also it has a pretty good picture over any SD camera. This thing beats out my Betacam I sold this last fall. Plus if you plan on viewing in the future HD format is the future. 16 by 9 will be standard soon enough... You might regret the 4 by 3 image later. Good Luck! __________________ Jeff Zimmerman • Love what I do • Colorado + North America www.m3films.com

January 30th, 2006, 10:02 PM	#12
Milt Lee Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cass Lake MN Posts: 221	What I've been wondering about is - how do the dvx100a and the hc1 compare to each other? Has anybody shot them both side by side. I'm just curious what the actual quality of the image is like - or not alike. Yes, I know it's 2 totally different things - but really - I would love to have an idea of how the 2 looked, so I could make a choice about a second camera. Thanks, Milt Lee __________________ Professional website - http://manykites.com Personal - http://mrdogsblog.com

January 15th, 2006, 01:07 AM	#2
Brian Rhodes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 753	Sony HDR-FX1 vs. the Sony DVW-709, the Sony DSR-570, and the Panasonic AG-DVX100a http://www.filmguideseattle.com/hdr-fx1.htm

January 15th, 2006, 09:14 AM	#4
Alexander Karol Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 198	You are comparing apples and oranges. Are you going to use the superior resolution of HDV? Or are you mainly using SD? If the latter is your case, stick to the Pana. Not because it has 3CCDs, but because you'll get more manual controls with it. The performance of the CMOS and the 3CCD chip will be unoticeable really. Having more manual control will lead to superior footage.

January 17th, 2006, 10:59 PM	#6
Alexander Karol Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 198	Lol, you're again comparing apples and oranges. If sharpness of pictures are your main concern, then the A1U will definetely be your best option. HDV has four times the resolution of SD.

January 26th, 2006, 11:46 PM	#9
Guest Posts: n/a	I am a little confused, and would appreciate any clarification regarding whether the Sony HDR-HC1 and the Sony HVR-A1 shoot in true 16:9? I read the following on the web: FX1 has 16:9 CCDs (960x1080 pixels each) HC1 has a 4:3 sensor, 2.9MegaPixel gross Are the HC1 and the A1 only 4:3? Thanks in advance.

January 27th, 2006, 01:14 AM	#10
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	The HC1 has a 4:3 sensor, but it only shoots HDV in true 16:9. The extra pixels are used for the still camera function which is about a 3 megapixel 4:3 image. The extra pixels are also used for the EIS (electronic image stabilization).

January 27th, 2006, 01:34 AM	#11
Guest Posts: n/a	Laurence, from everything I had read including HC1 manual I had thought it was a true 16:9 aspect ratio camera, but then a well known Digital Transfer Owner made the following remark in an email to me: Since these cameras [HC1-A1U]are not widescreen we don't recommend them for movie work. Which also had lead to my confusion. Thanks for clearing this up for me.

January 30th, 2006, 10:38 PM	#14
Milt Lee Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cass Lake MN Posts: 221	My friend, Chuck Olson of Minnesota Stories - http://mnstories.com just got one of these cameras and it was soooo much fun. and it has a really long flip out window - so my impression was that it is wide screen. I could be wrong. M. __________________ Professional website - http://manykites.com Personal - http://mrdogsblog.com

January 30th, 2006, 11:43 PM	#15
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Yes the HC1 and A1 both record true widescreen HDV! To re-paraphrase Lawrence: The HC1 has a 4:3 sensor, but it shoots HDV using a wide-screen shaped subset of those pixels. The extra pixels (i.e., above and below the area used for video) are used for the still camera function, which produces a 4:3 image. Bob, the recorded HDV has a resolution of 1440x1080 resolution, so the 16:9 final image is achieved in part by using non-square pixels. In contrast, the JVC HD1 records 1280x720, which is 16:9 with square pixels. This MAY be what your guys was referring to? As far as I know HDV footage is always 16:9. (The Sony cameras' 1080i, and the JVC's 720p30 and 480p60 modes, are all 16:9).