HC1Ecomponent out is at HD quality! at DVinfo.net

John Yamamoto · December 6th, 2005, 08:30 AM

Hi,
i just been in BenQ showroom and a kind sales let me try, both Av in and component in on a 26 inch LCD TV.
instantly draws many people to view the true quailty of HDV.
we compare the DV output/AV/component.
i can say this is confirmed not SD as the manual says.

it's too early to say this is uncompressed,but i think likley as i comapre to what i saw on Sony LCD in their showroom with HC1, may be they used firewire in. it's very very good and i see no artifacts, on firwire i can see clearly some occasional artifacts from Mpeg2 encodings.

Now if got enough $$ i will buy a blackmagic HD capture card and enjoy my HD filming.

cheers
JY

Don Donatello · December 6th, 2005, 02:28 PM

i have not seen any 26" LCD TV that was 1080i ( though i hear westinghouse has one) most are 720p .. so it is down rezing your sony ... to really see what the camera can do watch it on a 1920x1080 LCD TV ( which there will onlyh be a couple at your local stores)

so what is "true HD " ???
IMO " TRUE " would be if you have a 720p camera then TRUE would be a min of a 720p or higher viewing ... if you have a 1080 camera then "true " a min of 1080 or higher viewing ( sony does have a 4K projector)

Noah Hayes · December 10th, 2005, 09:25 PM

I did a comparison of the the AV vs. the Component at work on a couple of very nice 1080P DLP's (I work at a Best Buy with a Magnolia in it) and the difference was astounding. You HAVE to see the video in full rez, it just doesn't do it seeing HD downsized (just like all those small 320/240 rez files in h.264 on people's sites that were filmed in HD...just doesn't cut it...)

SD on a 1080P DLP looks horrible within 8 feet...switch to 1080p(with the tv deinterlacing the 1080i footage) and it is like night and day!

John Yamamoto · December 11th, 2005, 12:10 AM

Thanks Noah,
I have yet to get any kind person to let me feed the 1920x 1080i into their display.

i just search a bit and finds that LCD monitor for RGB( computer signal) is not so $$, but lack of Component in , and a search of YUV to RGB converter is not so pricey, about $200,way cheaper than a TV can take component with 1920x 1080 display, but no one can confirm me if they take the HD signal as from camera component to VGA without any loss.

cheers
JY

Wayne Morellini · December 12th, 2005, 12:49 AM

An easy test for compression, would be to get something and wave it in front of the lens closeup, maybe a piece of cloth with complex pattern, or throwing your hand and fingers around.

I am interested in the component resolution and frames per second, and if it is progressive (as the JVC 100 does). What does the monitor's picture signal status info tell you?

Thanks

Wayne.

Michelle Stoetzel · February 21st, 2006, 08:49 PM

I took and HC1 out of the box, put a tape in, and recorded about 2 min of video outside.

I then played it back using component video from the HC1 to the Sony 60" HDTV and I was amazed how clear it was. By default it viewed in "Full" filling the entire screen with crisp and clear video.

What I need to figure out is how to move achieve that exact quality when I burn it to a DVD. I bought Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinium and haven't had that success yet.

Michelle

Graham Hickling · February 23rd, 2006, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michelle Stoetzel

What I need to figure out is how to move achieve that exact quality when I burn it to a DVD.

Michelle, DVD video is SD (standard definition): 720x480 pixel resolution in NTSCland. To match what you saw from the HC1's component out, you will need to author a high-definition disk and play it on an HD-capable player.

Michelle Stoetzel · February 23rd, 2006, 09:57 PM

Thanks for the responses..

I am wondering if the HD DVD players like the toshiba SD4980 or Samsung DVD-HD850B would read HD off a HD DVD? They talk a lot about upconverting, which is not what I'm getting it for.

Am I correct in saying that one just needs to burn 1440 x 1080 to a regular dvd-r/+r and I am hoping that Sonys Vegas Movie Studio Platinium would do it.

Hopefully..

Michelle

Michelle Stoetzel · February 23rd, 2006, 10:22 PM

The more I read about this, the more I get the impression that HD DVD players are barely out there. HD camcorders are out, but there are few ways a consumer can actually save the tapes to something that would maintain the high HD quality?

Graham Hickling · February 24th, 2006, 01:00 AM

One option is to burn 14440x1080 to a "normal" red-lazer DVDR disk, using an MPEG4, H264 or WM9 codec of some sort. Players like the Toshiba you mention won't play these disks however - you need a specialized player like an Avel Linkplayer 2 or else a computer with a component-out HD-capable videocard like a Nvidia6600GT or better. Also, these disks will only hold relative short amounts of material.

Option 2 is to wait for HD-DVD and BlueRay (BD) burners and players to become more widely available and affordable.

Meanwhile, most people are either making temporary SD DVDs from their raw HD footage, or are putting edited footage back on tape and playing it using their camera's component out.

"Upconverting" DVD players simply make SD material look better when displayed on an HD monitor - they do NOT actually play HD disks.

Wayne Morellini · February 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM

Go to the Divx and MS WMV websites, and look up players that support their formats, some cheap players do (but I don't know of HD on the cheap ones) less than $200. There might be a site that lists h264 players to, but some of the ones on the sites above might also have it. Some of the latest HD modes support bit rates that will fit into DVD's data rate, but I think you have to be prepared to accept some lower quality.

Alex Thin · February 25th, 2006, 06:39 AM

I think there is a Kiss dvd player that support Divx HD.

December 6th, 2005, 08:30 AM	#1
John Yamamoto Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 94	HC1Ecomponent out is at HD quality! Hi, i just been in BenQ showroom and a kind sales let me try, both Av in and component in on a 26 inch LCD TV. instantly draws many people to view the true quailty of HDV. we compare the DV output/AV/component. i can say this is confirmed not SD as the manual says. it's too early to say this is uncompressed,but i think likley as i comapre to what i saw on Sony LCD in their showroom with HC1, may be they used firewire in. it's very very good and i see no artifacts, on firwire i can see clearly some occasional artifacts from Mpeg2 encodings. Now if got enough $$ i will buy a blackmagic HD capture card and enjoy my HD filming. cheers JY

December 11th, 2005, 12:10 AM	#4
John Yamamoto Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 94	any way to use LCD monitor to feed in component signal? Thanks Noah, I have yet to get any kind person to let me feed the 1920x 1080i into their display. i just search a bit and finds that LCD monitor for RGB( computer signal) is not so $$, but lack of Component in , and a search of YUV to RGB converter is not so pricey, about $200,way cheaper than a TV can take component with 1920x 1080 display, but no one can confirm me if they take the HD signal as from camera component to VGA without any loss. cheers JY

February 21st, 2006, 08:49 PM	#6
Michelle Stoetzel Tourist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 4	HC1 Component Video and Sony 60" HDTV I took and HC1 out of the box, put a tape in, and recorded about 2 min of video outside. I then played it back using component video from the HC1 to the Sony 60" HDTV and I was amazed how clear it was. By default it viewed in "Full" filling the entire screen with crisp and clear video. What I need to figure out is how to move achieve that exact quality when I burn it to a DVD. I bought Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinium and haven't had that success yet. Michelle

February 23rd, 2006, 09:57 PM	#8
Michelle Stoetzel Tourist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 4	HC1Ecomponent out is at HD quality! Thanks for the responses.. I am wondering if the HD DVD players like the toshiba SD4980 or Samsung DVD-HD850B would read HD off a HD DVD? They talk a lot about upconverting, which is not what I'm getting it for. Am I correct in saying that one just needs to burn 1440 x 1080 to a regular dvd-r/+r and I am hoping that Sonys Vegas Movie Studio Platinium would do it. Hopefully.. Michelle

February 23rd, 2006, 10:22 PM	#9
Michelle Stoetzel Tourist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 4	HC1Ecomponent out is at HD quality! The more I read about this, the more I get the impression that HD DVD players are barely out there. HD camcorders are out, but there are few ways a consumer can actually save the tapes to something that would maintain the high HD quality?

December 6th, 2005, 02:28 PM	#2
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	i have not seen any 26" LCD TV that was 1080i ( though i hear westinghouse has one) most are 720p .. so it is down rezing your sony ... to really see what the camera can do watch it on a 1920x1080 LCD TV ( which there will onlyh be a couple at your local stores) so what is "true HD " ??? IMO " TRUE " would be if you have a 720p camera then TRUE would be a min of a 720p or higher viewing ... if you have a 1080 camera then "true " a min of 1080 or higher viewing ( sony does have a 4K projector)

December 10th, 2005, 09:25 PM	#3
Noah Hayes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sterling, Virginia Posts: 226	I did a comparison of the the AV vs. the Component at work on a couple of very nice 1080P DLP's (I work at a Best Buy with a Magnolia in it) and the difference was astounding. You HAVE to see the video in full rez, it just doesn't do it seeing HD downsized (just like all those small 320/240 rez files in h.264 on people's sites that were filmed in HD...just doesn't cut it...) SD on a 1080P DLP looks horrible within 8 feet...switch to 1080p(with the tv deinterlacing the 1080i footage) and it is like night and day!

December 12th, 2005, 12:49 AM	#5
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	An easy test for compression, would be to get something and wave it in front of the lens closeup, maybe a piece of cloth with complex pattern, or throwing your hand and fingers around. I am interested in the component resolution and frames per second, and if it is progressive (as the JVC 100 does). What does the monitor's picture signal status info tell you? Thanks Wayne.

February 24th, 2006, 01:00 AM	#10
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	One option is to burn 14440x1080 to a "normal" red-lazer DVDR disk, using an MPEG4, H264 or WM9 codec of some sort. Players like the Toshiba you mention won't play these disks however - you need a specialized player like an Avel Linkplayer 2 or else a computer with a component-out HD-capable videocard like a Nvidia6600GT or better. Also, these disks will only hold relative short amounts of material. Option 2 is to wait for HD-DVD and BlueRay (BD) burners and players to become more widely available and affordable. Meanwhile, most people are either making temporary SD DVDs from their raw HD footage, or are putting edited footage back on tape and playing it using their camera's component out. "Upconverting" DVD players simply make SD material look better when displayed on an HD monitor - they do NOT actually play HD disks.

February 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM	#11
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	Go to the Divx and MS WMV websites, and look up players that support their formats, some cheap players do (but I don't know of HD on the cheap ones) less than $200. There might be a site that lists h264 players to, but some of the ones on the sites above might also have it. Some of the latest HD modes support bit rates that will fit into DVD's data rate, but I think you have to be prepared to accept some lower quality.

February 25th, 2006, 06:39 AM	#12
Alex Thin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26	re I think there is a Kiss dvd player that support Divx HD.