Spot's HC1 Summary

Douglas Spotted Eagle · July 21st, 2005, 09:04 PM

I didn't capture anything against green, I wish I had, because the setup was there. Damn.
I did cap uncompressed from it. It looks wonderful. The FX has a different edge ring than the Z1 does, and I can't get an explanation of why. Maybe someone else has an answer.
Looking at this footage, what did you think of the latitude? BTW, that's really the color of the area. it's not red because of lack of white balance, it's monster red marble buildings with tungsten lights in water fountains made of red marble with the sidewalk made of red marble. Everything just looks "red" in that area. Especially with the red neon and red balloons that are everywhere along Orchard Street.

Kyle Ringin · July 21st, 2005, 09:16 PM

In regard to capturing uncompressed component from the HC1 - I thought the 1920x1080 pixel count was in a 4:3 aspect ratio? so when shooting HD at 16:9, you'd have less res than that (not that pure pixel resolution is everything)

Anyone know?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · July 21st, 2005, 11:09 PM

Hey, just realized that in this particular render, I only rendered the same footage once, with the wrong title on it. I'm re-rendering. Sorry for any confusion, correct file is re-rendering now. What can I say, it was a long flight and I was tired? :-)

Thomas Smet · July 22nd, 2005, 12:51 AM

Hey Spot you beat me to it. I tried to check the footage and thought I was doing something wrong because they looked the same.

Kyle,
The chip is actually 1920x1440 which makes it 4:3. This is used for the highest still image mode. When shooting video only the middle 1080 of those 1440 is used. So the encoder does actually get a nice full 1920x1080 raster before it encodes it down to 1440x1080. I was hoping the analog outputs would get the full raster before it got pushed down to 1440x1080. With this tiny of a lens I doubt you would really gain that much more detail however. Still these cheap SONY HDV cameras are really the only thing on the market to have the full potential for an actually full resolution uncompressed image. The only other camera that may come close so far with be the JVC HD100 since it's uncompressed output will be the full 1280x720 at 60p. Of course these are two different HD formats.

Anyways.

Spot, which camera footage do we have right now then?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · July 22nd, 2005, 12:57 AM

You have neither. I killed the link, because when I opened that test project back up, I found I'd left the HC1 track unmuted, and partial (2% opacity) so either clip would have been invalid. I've already re-rendered, and in the process of uploading now. I hope to get it done before bed, however jetlag is busting my butt. The East to west flights are no sweat. Those West to East flights leave me screwy for a couple days.
If I don't get them relinked tonight, they'll be relinked tomorrow first thin in the a.m. I wish i had a fatter/fasster pipe.

Thomas Smet · July 22nd, 2005, 08:18 AM

Hey Spot could you post a screen grab from your uncompressed capture? I don't need a video just a still image. Thanks.

Ben Hardy · July 22nd, 2005, 03:43 PM

Spot,
Does the HC1 export analog (or 1394) DV while recording HDV? Is it only capable of producing 16:9 DV (like the FX1) or can you select 4:3 (as only the Z1 and VTR can do). Can it play back a HDV recording and export a DV 4:3 SD signal?
Many thanks,
Ben

July 21st, 2005, 09:04 PM	#16
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	I didn't capture anything against green, I wish I had, because the setup was there. Damn. I did cap uncompressed from it. It looks wonderful. The FX has a different edge ring than the Z1 does, and I can't get an explanation of why. Maybe someone else has an answer. Looking at this footage, what did you think of the latitude? BTW, that's really the color of the area. it's not red because of lack of white balance, it's monster red marble buildings with tungsten lights in water fountains made of red marble with the sidewalk made of red marble. Everything just looks "red" in that area. Especially with the red neon and red balloons that are everywhere along Orchard Street. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

July 21st, 2005, 11:09 PM	#18
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Hey, just realized that in this particular render, I only rendered the same footage once, with the wrong title on it. I'm re-rendering. Sorry for any confusion, correct file is re-rendering now. What can I say, it was a long flight and I was tired? :-) __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

July 22nd, 2005, 12:57 AM	#20
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	You have neither. I killed the link, because when I opened that test project back up, I found I'd left the HC1 track unmuted, and partial (2% opacity) so either clip would have been invalid. I've already re-rendered, and in the process of uploading now. I hope to get it done before bed, however jetlag is busting my butt. The East to west flights are no sweat. Those West to East flights leave me screwy for a couple days. If I don't get them relinked tonight, they'll be relinked tomorrow first thin in the a.m. I wish i had a fatter/fasster pipe. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

July 21st, 2005, 09:16 PM	#17
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	In regard to capturing uncompressed component from the HC1 - I thought the 1920x1080 pixel count was in a 4:3 aspect ratio? so when shooting HD at 16:9, you'd have less res than that (not that pure pixel resolution is everything) Anyone know?

July 22nd, 2005, 12:51 AM	#19
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Hey Spot you beat me to it. I tried to check the footage and thought I was doing something wrong because they looked the same. Kyle, The chip is actually 1920x1440 which makes it 4:3. This is used for the highest still image mode. When shooting video only the middle 1080 of those 1440 is used. So the encoder does actually get a nice full 1920x1080 raster before it encodes it down to 1440x1080. I was hoping the analog outputs would get the full raster before it got pushed down to 1440x1080. With this tiny of a lens I doubt you would really gain that much more detail however. Still these cheap SONY HDV cameras are really the only thing on the market to have the full potential for an actually full resolution uncompressed image. The only other camera that may come close so far with be the JVC HD100 since it's uncompressed output will be the full 1280x720 at 60p. Of course these are two different HD formats. Anyways. Spot, which camera footage do we have right now then?

July 22nd, 2005, 08:18 AM	#21
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Hey Spot could you post a screen grab from your uncompressed capture? I don't need a video just a still image. Thanks.

July 22nd, 2005, 03:43 PM	#22
Ben Hardy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 54	Spot, Does the HC1 export analog (or 1394) DV while recording HDV? Is it only capable of producing 16:9 DV (like the FX1) or can you select 4:3 (as only the Z1 and VTR can do). Can it play back a HDV recording and export a DV 4:3 SD signal? Many thanks, Ben