Sony HDR-HC1

David Newman · May 17th, 2005, 09:08 AM

Another model to consider : HVR-A1U (http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimag...hoto_id=176995

Boyd Ostroff · May 17th, 2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Duane Smith

Boyd, take a look at the high-rez PR images

Yeah, I saw that. Looks like you can choose zoom or focus for the ring though. I wonder what's under the two snap-down covers on the bottom of the left side? Connectors? At least it isn't crippled with a small internal battery like the HC-1000.

Bryan Suthard · May 17th, 2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by John Cline

Apparently, it uses a 1/6" chip, so you'll have infinite depth of field, whether you want it or not :)
John

Never thought of that but which really plays a bigger role in DOF, lens size or chip size? There is a 37mm lens on this vs. 72mm for the FX1 and 52mm for the JVCs.

Dominic Jones · May 17th, 2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan Suthard

Never thought of that but which really plays a bigger role in DOF, lens size or chip size? There is a 37mm lens on this vs. 72mm for the FX1 and 52mm for the JVCs.

Chip size. Lens size will vary the DOF a fair amount, but will not overcome the inherent wide DOF of such a small chip unless you're at a *massive* telephoto, which besides being virtually impossible to use for anything other than a locked-off shot this camera won't have anyway...

Thomas Smet · May 17th, 2005, 01:10 PM

How interesting...

Only a single chip but it does sound like it has more native pixels for detail. This is of course assuming SONY will be using all of those pixels to record HDV. Since the chip uses square pixels it would almost have to use all of the pixels. Of course it will still end up 1440 x 1080 instead of 1920 x 1080 because of HDV but it is usually better to start with more and go down opposed to only starting with 960 pixels and using pixel shift to jump up. In a very well lit VFX environment this camera may actually be better than a Z1.

Robert Mann Z. · May 17th, 2005, 01:22 PM

it is truly a consumer cam as it a bottom loader

http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/Product/...iew/index.html

Boyd Ostroff · May 17th, 2005, 01:38 PM

Ugh - bottom loading. Do you have to take it off the tripod?

Bryan: While I'm sure it's true that the FX-1 has a larger lens, don't confuse lens diameter with filter thread diameter. The lens is generally smaller than the filter threads (quite a bit on some cameras), making it hard to draw conclusions.

Radek Svoboda · May 17th, 2005, 01:41 PM

This will make HD1/10 sales to zero, unless they'll drop price down a lot.

I want one as second camera to my FX1E.

Sony introduced today PS3, it has 1080p output.

Radek

PS

Sony said FX/Z1 will be in middle of their HDV line. Will larger HDV camera be introduced soon?

Sony also said 1080i will get 90% HDV business. Does it mean that Canon and Sharp will also use 1080i?

R.

Jack Zhang · May 17th, 2005, 04:58 PM

I think they should've used that new Sigma 3 layer single CCD or something, that could get the big and bulky 3CCD cams a run for their money.

Brandon Greenlee · May 17th, 2005, 06:40 PM

Make an HDV consumer cam with a street price of $1000 and I'll be in.

I guess this would be a step in that direction however, considering it is the first truly consumer hdv camera.

John Cline · May 17th, 2005, 07:46 PM

I originally posted that it uses a 1/6" chip, apparently that is incorrect. It uses a single 1/3" chip.

John

Yiannis Kall · May 18th, 2005, 12:21 AM

so now is the turn of jvc and panasonic to release a competitive model to HC1, we must wait and i was just ready to buy the jvc hd1.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · May 18th, 2005, 02:16 AM

Which makes me even more certain (?) that when Canon introduces an HDV camera, it's more than likely to be a consumer model - like the XM2...
Interesting times guys...

Robin

Young Lee · May 18th, 2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiannis Kall

me too, i was just about to order the jvc hd1 which costs 2000$

You're lucky that you didn't order the HD1. :) The new Sony cam performs much better in low light and records better video (in terms of color fidelity, lattitude, etc...)

Boyd Ostroff · May 18th, 2005, 09:30 PM

Have you used one, or is this just speculation? I didn't think they were available yet.

May 17th, 2005, 09:08 AM	#16
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Another model to consider : HVR-A1U (http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimag...hoto_id=176995 __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 17th, 2005, 06:40 PM	#25
Brandon Greenlee Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Alabama Posts: 242	Make an HDV consumer cam with a street price of $1000 and I'll be in. I guess this would be a step in that direction however, considering it is the first truly consumer hdv camera. __________________ Brandon Greenlee

May 17th, 2005, 01:10 PM	#20
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	How interesting... Only a single chip but it does sound like it has more native pixels for detail. This is of course assuming SONY will be using all of those pixels to record HDV. Since the chip uses square pixels it would almost have to use all of the pixels. Of course it will still end up 1440 x 1080 instead of 1920 x 1080 because of HDV but it is usually better to start with more and go down opposed to only starting with 960 pixels and using pixel shift to jump up. In a very well lit VFX environment this camera may actually be better than a Z1.

May 17th, 2005, 01:22 PM	#21
Robert Mann Z. Skyonic New York Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 614	it is truly a consumer cam as it a bottom loader http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/Product/...iew/index.html

May 17th, 2005, 01:38 PM	#22
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	Ugh - bottom loading. Do you have to take it off the tripod? Bryan: While I'm sure it's true that the FX-1 has a larger lens, don't confuse lens diameter with filter thread diameter. The lens is generally smaller than the filter threads (quite a bit on some cameras), making it hard to draw conclusions.

May 17th, 2005, 01:41 PM	#23
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	This will make HD1/10 sales to zero, unless they'll drop price down a lot. I want one as second camera to my FX1E. Sony introduced today PS3, it has 1080p output. Radek PS Sony said FX/Z1 will be in middle of their HDV line. Will larger HDV camera be introduced soon? Sony also said 1080i will get 90% HDV business. Does it mean that Canon and Sharp will also use 1080i? R.

May 17th, 2005, 04:58 PM	#24
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	I think they should've used that new Sigma 3 layer single CCD or something, that could get the big and bulky 3CCD cams a run for their money.

May 17th, 2005, 07:46 PM	#26
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	I originally posted that it uses a 1/6" chip, apparently that is incorrect. It uses a single 1/3" chip. John

May 18th, 2005, 12:21 AM	#27
Yiannis Kall Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greece-Athens Posts: 37	so now is the turn of jvc and panasonic to release a competitive model to HC1, we must wait and i was just ready to buy the jvc hd1.

May 18th, 2005, 02:16 AM	#28
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Which makes me even more certain (?) that when Canon introduces an HDV camera, it's more than likely to be a consumer model - like the XM2... Interesting times guys... Robin

May 18th, 2005, 09:30 PM	#30
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	Have you used one, or is this just speculation? I didn't think they were available yet.