Retire the Sony HC-3??? at DVinfo.net

Lynne Whelden · March 19th, 2008, 09:26 PM

I've got the Sony HC-3 that I use, among other things, to produce backpacking videos in HD. I chose it several years ago for its light weight and small size. Since then several other models have come to the forefront. Here's my question--has the HC-7 (or 9) improved upon the image quality enough to justify my selling the 3? Or should I just let well-enough alone?

Dave Blackhurst · March 19th, 2008, 09:50 PM

I've owned them all, and IMO the HC7/9 is a better image... BUT if you're happy with your HC3, there's no great compelling reason to step up.

On the other hand, all the new small sony cams have much to like about them, and some very good image quality, better low light, and so on - really depends on whether you feel it's time for an upgrade <wink>!

Adam Gold · March 19th, 2008, 10:40 PM

Even if you move up to the 7/9, I'd keep the 3 as your capture deck. You won't get much for it anyhow.

J. Stephen McDonald · March 20th, 2008, 12:33 AM

Duplicate message.

J. Stephen McDonald · March 20th, 2008, 12:49 AM

The still-picture quality of the HC7 and HC9 is probably even more improved over the images of the HC3, than the video performance is. I've been very pleased with the quality of the photos I snap in 16:9 aspect with my HC9, while I'm recording video, which is completely uninterrupted. It encodes them at 4.5 megapixels and they look a bit sharper than those taken in Photo mode at 4:3 and 3.1 megapixels. Of course, you can take stills at 16:9 and 4.5 MP in Photo mode and also extrapolated 6.1 MP pictures. I have yet to decide if those 6.1 MP photos are better than those taken in 3.1 MP, the latter coming from entirely real CMOS pixels.

This flower shot was taken while I was recording video.

Lynne Whelden · March 21st, 2008, 08:01 AM

I appreciate the opinions. To be honest, even though I bought the memory stick I've never used the still photo option. But I thougth it might be useful for some Ken Burns-type pan and zoom options someday.
As for rez improvements, according to another site, the horiz. rez of the hc-3 was pegged at 605 and in the hc-7 it had only been bumped up to about 650. (vert. went from 566 to 580).
Given that the hc-3 is the one that Survivorman supposedly uses, I guess I'm in good company.
You're right about not getting much money for it, even if I did sell. I've got the whole enchilada--the WA lens, the wireless mic. Probably would be lucky if I could get $500 for everything, you know?

Dave Blackhurst · March 21st, 2008, 11:38 AM

Hi Lynne -
You might get a bit more, but not much, however some accessories should be compatible (if the wireless is the HW1, that will work - it's also very cool on the AVCHD cameras and the SR11/12 series is the same form factor at the HC3/5/7 - worth a look?). Lenses won't match, nor sadly the batteries (tho' FH series is backward compatible).

Unfortunately the step from the HC3 to any of the later ones is not simple or cheap... but it is quite a healthy step up.

I really liked the HC3 build wise, it sold me on the small camera form factor, and it is still a great "entry" to HD, but as with all technology, time moves on, and the later cameras are far superior.

The HC3 came at a time when Sony still OWNED the consumer HD market, and was an attempt to make it more affordable and accessable - ultimately the HV20 broke the $$ barrier, but the form factor stuck, which says a lot about the camera!

As for stills, if you have a good DSLR or decent digital camera, the "dual purpose" part isn't so important, but it looks to me like the SR11/12 are getting at least close to being adequate dual purpose cams, still hunting for an insane deal on one of those so I can see firsthand! 4G MS Duos are only around $35 if you watch (Sandisk ones anyway), and I've always stuck a memory stick in the cams first thing when I get them... comes in handy!

March 19th, 2008, 09:26 PM	#1
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	Retire the Sony HC-3??? I've got the Sony HC-3 that I use, among other things, to produce backpacking videos in HD. I chose it several years ago for its light weight and small size. Since then several other models have come to the forefront. Here's my question--has the HC-7 (or 9) improved upon the image quality enough to justify my selling the 3? Or should I just let well-enough alone?

March 20th, 2008, 12:33 AM	#4
J. Stephen McDonald Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 909	Still-Photos Are Improved in HC7 and HC9 Duplicate message. __________________ Steve McDonald https://onedrive.com/?cid=229807ce52dd4fe0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22121562@N00/ http://www.vimeo.com/user458315/videos Last edited by J. Stephen McDonald; March 20th, 2008 at 12:55 AM. Reason: Duplicate message

March 20th, 2008, 12:49 AM	#5
J. Stephen McDonald Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 909	Still-Photos Are Improved in HC7 and HC9 The still-picture quality of the HC7 and HC9 is probably even more improved over the images of the HC3, than the video performance is. I've been very pleased with the quality of the photos I snap in 16:9 aspect with my HC9, while I'm recording video, which is completely uninterrupted. It encodes them at 4.5 megapixels and they look a bit sharper than those taken in Photo mode at 4:3 and 3.1 megapixels. Of course, you can take stills at 16:9 and 4.5 MP in Photo mode and also extrapolated 6.1 MP pictures. I have yet to decide if those 6.1 MP photos are better than those taken in 3.1 MP, the latter coming from entirely real CMOS pixels. This flower shot was taken while I was recording video. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Steve McDonald https://onedrive.com/?cid=229807ce52dd4fe0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22121562@N00/ http://www.vimeo.com/user458315/videos

March 19th, 2008, 09:50 PM	#2
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	I've owned them all, and IMO the HC7/9 is a better image... BUT if you're happy with your HC3, there's no great compelling reason to step up. On the other hand, all the new small sony cams have much to like about them, and some very good image quality, better low light, and so on - really depends on whether you feel it's time for an upgrade <wink>!

March 19th, 2008, 10:40 PM	#3
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Even if you move up to the 7/9, I'd keep the 3 as your capture deck. You won't get much for it anyhow.

March 21st, 2008, 08:01 AM	#6
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	I appreciate the opinions. To be honest, even though I bought the memory stick I've never used the still photo option. But I thougth it might be useful for some Ken Burns-type pan and zoom options someday. As for rez improvements, according to another site, the horiz. rez of the hc-3 was pegged at 605 and in the hc-7 it had only been bumped up to about 650. (vert. went from 566 to 580). Given that the hc-3 is the one that Survivorman supposedly uses, I guess I'm in good company. You're right about not getting much money for it, even if I did sell. I've got the whole enchilada--the WA lens, the wireless mic. Probably would be lucky if I could get $500 for everything, you know?

March 21st, 2008, 11:38 AM	#7
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Hi Lynne - You might get a bit more, but not much, however some accessories should be compatible (if the wireless is the HW1, that will work - it's also very cool on the AVCHD cameras and the SR11/12 series is the same form factor at the HC3/5/7 - worth a look?). Lenses won't match, nor sadly the batteries (tho' FH series is backward compatible). Unfortunately the step from the HC3 to any of the later ones is not simple or cheap... but it is quite a healthy step up. I really liked the HC3 build wise, it sold me on the small camera form factor, and it is still a great "entry" to HD, but as with all technology, time moves on, and the later cameras are far superior. The HC3 came at a time when Sony still OWNED the consumer HD market, and was an attempt to make it more affordable and accessable - ultimately the HV20 broke the $$ barrier, but the form factor stuck, which says a lot about the camera! As for stills, if you have a good DSLR or decent digital camera, the "dual purpose" part isn't so important, but it looks to me like the SR11/12 are getting at least close to being adequate dual purpose cams, still hunting for an insane deal on one of those so I can see firsthand! 4G MS Duos are only around $35 if you watch (Sandisk ones anyway), and I've always stuck a memory stick in the cams first thing when I get them... comes in handy!