Sony HVR-DR60 Hard Drive Unit

Marshall Levy · December 14th, 2006, 07:08 PM

While this is not yet available and reviews are probably scarce to non-existent, I'm posting this in hopes that someone may know the following...

(I use Nnovia drives for hard drive capture but this Sony drive would ultimately replace what I use now, and the format that the Sony drives is somewhat different.)

The Sony drive has two options:
>when filming SD, it captures avi files, which are obviously compatible with just about any editing software
>when filming HDV, it captures m2t files, which are supposedly supported by Vegas, but does anyone know if this is a propretary format such that it will be unsupported for any given time?

I want to film in HDV, not SD.

I edit with Adobe software (Premiere 2.0) and I need a HDV-based HD recorder for a huge event in January, so I can't spend too much time finding something else as a temporary solution only to get one of these aftewards, and I do not want Firestore or CitiDisk. In addition, the Sony drive is smaller, more functional and practical with what I need it for so I really don't know what to think at this point.

Does anyone know if these files are supported by Adobe's software, or know anything more specific to this file type, or any other suggestions?

The drive is supposedly going to be available the end of December through beginning of January and I need this starting January 13th for a 9-day shoot (will need three of them, actually). Also, on the basis of getting a V1U I can get a slight discount when getting the cameras and drives together.

Thanks for the help, it's much appreciated.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · December 14th, 2006, 07:12 PM

The file type is .m2t, the type of file isn't the problem; it's whether Premiere can manage the 24p extraction, and the file tree system. Currently it cannot. Only Sony Vegas currently can manage the file tree extraction, but the files come across intact in Premiere, they're just not linked.
In other words, Premiere works with the files fine, but it can't assemble them in order. And can't handle the pulldown for HDV (yet) shot at 24p.

Marshall Levy · December 14th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Oh, ok. I really have no need for 24p at this time and instead need it for dumping the captured files into Premiere (60i) and going from there. Other than the file format, all else is equal with what I do.

When you mention that it can't assemble the files in order, what does that mean? Is that only for 24p video or any format?

Ray Bell · December 15th, 2006, 09:06 AM

Marshall, Not sure this could help you but when the time comes you could
download the trial of Vegas and use it, I think its 30 days, and perhaps the footage output could be brought into Adobe to do what you needed???

Chris Medico · December 15th, 2006, 09:53 AM

I'll be curious to see how Avid Liquid handles output from the DR60. I've got my eye on buying one as soon as I know a bit more.

What I can say now is that the footage captured from my HC3 through Avid saves to a file with a .m2t extention. I have no idea if its the same as what is generated with the DR60 but it sounds promising.

Chris

Marshall Levy · December 15th, 2006, 10:49 AM

SD is avi, HDV is m2t. I think it's now more of an issue of software support as there are many traits for each. It's a shame there are so many variables with this format, unlike (sort of) SD. (And still no TRUE way of delivery :) )

December 14th, 2006, 07:08 PM	#1
Marshall Levy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 304	Sony HVR-DR60 Hard Drive Unit - suggestions/advice needed! While this is not yet available and reviews are probably scarce to non-existent, I'm posting this in hopes that someone may know the following... (I use Nnovia drives for hard drive capture but this Sony drive would ultimately replace what I use now, and the format that the Sony drives is somewhat different.) The Sony drive has two options: >when filming SD, it captures avi files, which are obviously compatible with just about any editing software >when filming HDV, it captures m2t files, which are supposedly supported by Vegas, but does anyone know if this is a propretary format such that it will be unsupported for any given time? I want to film in HDV, not SD. I edit with Adobe software (Premiere 2.0) and I need a HDV-based HD recorder for a huge event in January, so I can't spend too much time finding something else as a temporary solution only to get one of these aftewards, and I do not want Firestore or CitiDisk. In addition, the Sony drive is smaller, more functional and practical with what I need it for so I really don't know what to think at this point. Does anyone know if these files are supported by Adobe's software, or know anything more specific to this file type, or any other suggestions? The drive is supposedly going to be available the end of December through beginning of January and I need this starting January 13th for a 9-day shoot (will need three of them, actually). Also, on the basis of getting a V1U I can get a slight discount when getting the cameras and drives together. Thanks for the help, it's much appreciated.

December 14th, 2006, 07:12 PM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	The file type is .m2t, the type of file isn't the problem; it's whether Premiere can manage the 24p extraction, and the file tree system. Currently it cannot. Only Sony Vegas currently can manage the file tree extraction, but the files come across intact in Premiere, they're just not linked. In other words, Premiere works with the files fine, but it can't assemble them in order. And can't handle the pulldown for HDV (yet) shot at 24p. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

December 15th, 2006, 09:53 AM	#5
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	I'll be curious to see how Avid Liquid handles output from the DR60. I've got my eye on buying one as soon as I know a bit more. What I can say now is that the footage captured from my HC3 through Avid saves to a file with a .m2t extention. I have no idea if its the same as what is generated with the DR60 but it sounds promising. Chris __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

December 14th, 2006, 07:28 PM	#3
Marshall Levy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 304	Oh, ok. I really have no need for 24p at this time and instead need it for dumping the captured files into Premiere (60i) and going from there. Other than the file format, all else is equal with what I do. When you mention that it can't assemble the files in order, what does that mean? Is that only for 24p video or any format?

December 15th, 2006, 09:06 AM	#4
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Marshall, Not sure this could help you but when the time comes you could download the trial of Vegas and use it, I think its 30 days, and perhaps the footage output could be brought into Adobe to do what you needed???

December 15th, 2006, 10:49 AM	#6
Marshall Levy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 304	SD is avi, HDV is m2t. I think it's now more of an issue of software support as there are many traits for each. It's a shame there are so many variables with this format, unlike (sort of) SD. (And still no TRUE way of delivery :) )