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Jeremiah McLamb · March 26th, 2007, 11:46 AM

Is the XDCAM HD good enough to be transfered to film to be shown on large screens? Does it atleast hold up as well as the F900s?

Nate Weaver · March 26th, 2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah McLamb

Is the XDCAM HD good enough to be transfered to film to be shown on large screens?

In my opinion, yes.

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah McLamb

Does it atleast hold up as well as the F900s?

It's not going to be quite F900 level, but I doubt your audience will notice if you do everything else right.

Rob Stiff · March 26th, 2007, 01:43 PM

Film is typically wider than the 1440x1080 HD XDCAM footage.

So, is it just stretched to fit?

Is the footage first upconverted?

Jeremiah McLamb · March 26th, 2007, 01:47 PM

i will probably shoot framing for 2.35:1 and crop in post. I know that cuts some resolution...will that loss in resolution hurt me on the big screen? or should i just stick with the 16:9 ..or 1.85:1 (which is the typical theater ..right?)

"Is the footage first upconverted?"

...what do you mean? upconverted from the 1440x1080 to 1920x1080..or something else?

Rob Stiff · March 26th, 2007, 02:05 PM

Yes, resample the resolution up to 1920x1080 or even wider...

I shoot in 1440x1080, edit in 1440x1080 and then downconvert
to SD MPEG-2 16:9. So, it is stretched and looks fine. Wrong direction
in your case...

I don't know of any feature films where the Sony XDCAM was used.

I think BORAT, for example, was using Panasonic HD Cameras that
shoot in 1920x1080 DVC PRO HD...?

Keep in mind, I have NO EXPERIENCE in video to film and should not be commenting too much beyond this post.

Gerson Becker · March 26th, 2007, 03:35 PM

Hi Jeremiah
We finished the shooting of a feature in january, and the editing is done.
We gona see the transfer to film in about two weeks. The DP, that is already doing grading, told me that the images are great.
The movie was framed as 16x9.
As soon as the transfer is done I will post my two cents...

Nate Weaver · March 26th, 2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah McLamb

i will probably shoot framing for 2.35:1 and crop in post. I know that cuts some resolution...will that loss in resolution hurt me on the big screen?

Not really. It's just a crop. It's simply less picture to look at.

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah McLamb

or should i just stick with the 16:9 ..or 1.85:1 (which is the typical theater ..right?)

2.35 is one of those things movies usually only do if the subject matter screams for it. Big pretty exteriors, etc. If your movie is "people based" then 1.85 is likely going to be better. This is a creative decision, not so much a technical one. 16x9 is, in film parlance, 1.77:1. So the most popular theatrical format, 1.85, is just a slight top and bottom crop that can be done at the very last stage of production (writing out to film). You'd need to get 1.85 framelines in your viewfinder as well as your field monitors.

Rob, all XDCAM HD is 1440x1080 recorded (as is HDCAM), but stretched out to correct aspect upon playback. The fact it is 1440 H is really immaterial for this discussion. DVCPRO HD at 1080 is only 1280 wide. Borat was shot with Varicams that record only a 960x720 image!

Jeremiah, considering you're comparing cameras/formats here with vastly different budget implications, I'm a bit puzzled at your questions. Typically one shoots the best they can afford. If you have the budget for F900s, then there you go. If you have to take a major step down, then you do XDCAM HD or Varicam. Even less, then you duke it out with all the HDV cams.

Jeremiah McLamb · March 26th, 2007, 04:01 PM

thanks gerson! that will be great!

nate, thanks for your expertise! I just really love the look of 2.35:1...but..now that you mention it. 1.85:1 will probably better suit this production. As far as budget goes...well...XDCAM is the best we can do right now...we can't afford F900 rentals...especially with doing a film out....but I just wanted to see how the XDCAM HD stacked up against the F900 on the big screen. I don't wan't to go to the HDV level as I feel that is not quite good enough..but was hoping XDCAM would pull through for me. And it sounds like it will! Also, XDCAM will be easier for my editing situation as I really wouldn't be able to handle the HDCAM stuff..without spending more money.

If you have any more advice..please..PLEASE send it my way. Thanks again!

Nate Weaver · March 26th, 2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah McLamb

If you have any more advice..please..PLEASE send it my way. Thanks again!

Your picture will not be judged on picture quality. It will be judged on writing and execution. Never forget that.

Shoot the best format you can afford, and do your homework to make sure post/format issues will not take your creative energy away from the things that really matter like story and writing. It's really that simple. Everything else is tech; find people who will take care of that for you.

Jeremiah McLamb · March 26th, 2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate Weaver

Your picture will not be judged on picture quality. It will be judged on writing and execution. Never forget that.

I agree 1000%! We have a great story and I can't wait to start shooting it so I can show you guys! But for now...just waiting for a little more money to come in... :o)

Rob Stiff · March 26th, 2007, 07:49 PM

Nate, just read a produciton article on Borat.

http://www.abelcine.com/articles/ind...=119&Itemid=32

You couldn't be more right. I'm sure the color correcting
using a DaVinci was a nice plus. But they pulled it off nicely
going no higher than 720p.

Immanuel Martin · March 28th, 2007, 10:36 AM

We are in post on an XDCAM feature. We shot using the 35/mbs setting and were very happy with the results.

We have cut the film on a Premiere Pro 2.0 system with the Axio LE HD card.

Though we are making sure our post work flow supports a final transfer to film I don't know that we will have the budget to do one.

We should be posting a trailer in a few weeks if you want to check out some of the footage.

Immanuel
http://www.miyukithemovie.com

March 26th, 2007, 11:46 AM	#1
Jeremiah McLamb Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 174	XDCAM HD to Film Is the XDCAM HD good enough to be transfered to film to be shown on large screens? Does it atleast hold up as well as the F900s?

March 26th, 2007, 03:35 PM	#6
Gerson Becker Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Posts: 63	Hi Jeremiah We finished the shooting of a feature in january, and the editing is done. We gona see the transfer to film in about two weeks. The DP, that is already doing grading, told me that the images are great. The movie was framed as 16x9. As soon as the transfer is done I will post my two cents... __________________ Gérson Becker - Lumiere Produções - Brasil www.lumiere.com.br/cinemadigital

March 26th, 2007, 01:43 PM	#3
Rob Stiff Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 173	Film is typically wider than the 1440x1080 HD XDCAM footage. So, is it just stretched to fit? Is the footage first upconverted?

March 26th, 2007, 01:47 PM	#4
Jeremiah McLamb Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 174	i will probably shoot framing for 2.35:1 and crop in post. I know that cuts some resolution...will that loss in resolution hurt me on the big screen? or should i just stick with the 16:9 ..or 1.85:1 (which is the typical theater ..right?) "Is the footage first upconverted?" ...what do you mean? upconverted from the 1440x1080 to 1920x1080..or something else?

March 26th, 2007, 02:05 PM	#5
Rob Stiff Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 173	Yes, resample the resolution up to 1920x1080 or even wider... I shoot in 1440x1080, edit in 1440x1080 and then downconvert to SD MPEG-2 16:9. So, it is stretched and looks fine. Wrong direction in your case... I don't know of any feature films where the Sony XDCAM was used. I think BORAT, for example, was using Panasonic HD Cameras that shoot in 1920x1080 DVC PRO HD...? Keep in mind, I have NO EXPERIENCE in video to film and should not be commenting too much beyond this post.

March 26th, 2007, 04:01 PM	#8
Jeremiah McLamb Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 174	thanks gerson! that will be great! nate, thanks for your expertise! I just really love the look of 2.35:1...but..now that you mention it. 1.85:1 will probably better suit this production. As far as budget goes...well...XDCAM is the best we can do right now...we can't afford F900 rentals...especially with doing a film out....but I just wanted to see how the XDCAM HD stacked up against the F900 on the big screen. I don't wan't to go to the HDV level as I feel that is not quite good enough..but was hoping XDCAM would pull through for me. And it sounds like it will! Also, XDCAM will be easier for my editing situation as I really wouldn't be able to handle the HDCAM stuff..without spending more money. If you have any more advice..please..PLEASE send it my way. Thanks again!

March 26th, 2007, 07:49 PM	#11
Rob Stiff Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 173	Nate, just read a produciton article on Borat. http://www.abelcine.com/articles/ind...=119&Itemid=32 You couldn't be more right. I'm sure the color correcting using a DaVinci was a nice plus. But they pulled it off nicely going no higher than 720p.

March 28th, 2007, 10:36 AM	#12
Immanuel Martin Tourist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4	We are in post on an XDCAM feature. We shot using the 35/mbs setting and were very happy with the results. We have cut the film on a Premiere Pro 2.0 system with the Axio LE HD card. Though we are making sure our post work flow supports a final transfer to film I don't know that we will have the budget to do one. We should be posting a trailer in a few weeks if you want to check out some of the footage. Immanuel http://www.miyukithemovie.com