Have to buy asap, DSR450, XDCAM 350 or 330?

Phil Bloom · November 23rd, 2006, 05:57 PM

thanks. Until the production company am working for get an xdcam machine in their MCR will have to dump to DVCAM for them so they can get transcripts, digitize etc...

Alister Chapman · November 24th, 2006, 01:57 AM

You could always get a USB or Firewire Hard drive and copy the clips from the camera to the hard drive. You'd need a PC or Mac to do this but it would be quicker than dumping to tape plus all the clip names and references and most of the other advantages of being file based would be retained.

Phil Bloom · December 2nd, 2006, 06:03 PM

what is the model number of the f350 viewfinder?

Alister Chapman · December 3rd, 2006, 03:16 AM

DXF-20W is the f350 VF.

Phil Bloom · December 3rd, 2006, 12:46 PM

Thanks Alister,

I am probably going to upgrade my VF to that one

Phil Bloom · December 12th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Thanks to Nigel Cooper and John Preston I now have a 350!!! Prestons took my used 330 and gave me a barely used 350 for an extra 3k. Not bad!!!

Simon Wyndham · December 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM

Nice Murdoch, nice!

Jonathan Ames · December 13th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Humbly, the best of luck to you on your shooting. The 350 is truly an amazing camera that we simply loved on set.

Phil Bloom · December 14th, 2006, 02:54 AM

anybody have a link for the 330/350 manual online. I sent my english language one back to prestons and only got a japanese one in the 350 box!

Ivan Snoeckx · December 14th, 2006, 09:09 AM

Hi Phil,

Take a look on the US site of Sony Professional. Here is the link.

Sony Pro US

Look under "Tech Info", their you will find all XDCAM and XDCAM HD operation manuals.

Hope this helps!

Phil Bloom · January 15th, 2007, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alister Chapman

I am not knocking XDCAM in any way. All I'm trying to say is that if your market wants DVCAM/Betacam/Digibeta then be very careful about choosing XDCAM if it is your only camera. The right tool for the job etc. In a year or two's time things may be reversed and XDCAM may be the dominant format, who can tell. But until then if you are a UK based freelancer you need to consider what will bring the best return for your investment. The camera you like the most or the camera in most demand.

As much as I love my xdcam I am going to need to get a second camera. All my work is SD and the dumping to tape at the end of each day is killing me.

I need a workhorse to use for the day to day stuff and keep the xd for my own productions and HD work.

I could get a new DSR 450, a second hand 570 or a second hand 500.

Not sure which one to go for to be honest!

Peter Newsom · January 18th, 2007, 08:03 AM

Hi Phil, I have been going through similar considerations. I'd love to get the XDcam, but my client doesn't need it yet.

The DSR450 is certainly priced well, at 13K in Canada, though it is missing a few features. If it had firewire in and out, like the Panasonics it would be perfect for the sports news work that I do.

Used 500's and 570's seem to be going for about $7K around here, and they are scarce. It makes a new 450 for 13K a good deal.

I have also been considering a new head for my old BVV5 back, but that will cost just about the same as the 450. However, Beta SP is still the most common format for broadcasters in Canada.

Looks like SD is going to be around for sometime yet.

Phil Bloom · January 18th, 2007, 01:28 PM

yeah I agree Peter.

I would love to just use my xdcam hd but nobody can take the discs let alone the HD!

I bought a new DSR 450. It is very nice. So similar to look at and use as the XDCAM f350. Looks like the same body...almost!

Peter Newsom · January 18th, 2007, 01:53 PM

Congratulations on the camera Phil!

I have yet to get my hands on one, but it should be soon. What glass are you running on it?

From the pictures I've seen it indeed looks very similar to the F330/350.

I would be very interested to read about your thoughts on the camera, if you have the time.

Good luck!

Peter

Phil Bloom · January 18th, 2007, 02:01 PM

i have the canon 20 x 8.4 with 2x extender. Pretty standard for this camera. it's very nice actually.

I am impressed with it. It has amazingly detailed paint tools and shoots progressive. Love the daylight white balance button and the clear nd. Just like the f350

November 23rd, 2006, 05:57 PM	#46
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	thanks. Until the production company am working for get an xdcam machine in their MCR will have to dump to DVCAM for them so they can get transcripts, digitize etc... __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

November 24th, 2006, 01:57 AM	#47
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	You could always get a USB or Firewire Hard drive and copy the clips from the camera to the hard drive. You'd need a PC or Mac to do this but it would be quicker than dumping to tape plus all the clip names and references and most of the other advantages of being file based would be retained. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

December 2nd, 2006, 06:03 PM	#48
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	what is the model number of the f350 viewfinder? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 3rd, 2006, 03:16 AM	#49
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	DXF-20W is the f350 VF. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

December 3rd, 2006, 12:46 PM	#50
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	Thanks Alister, I am probably going to upgrade my VF to that one __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 12th, 2006, 03:54 PM	#51
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	Thanks to Nigel Cooper and John Preston I now have a 350!!! Prestons took my used 330 and gave me a barely used 350 for an extra 3k. Not bad!!! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#52
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Nice Murdoch, nice!

December 13th, 2006, 08:36 PM	#53
Jonathan Ames 2nd Unit TV Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 509	Humbly, the best of luck to you on your shooting. The 350 is truly an amazing camera that we simply loved on set.

December 14th, 2006, 02:54 AM	#54
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	anybody have a link for the 330/350 manual online. I sent my english language one back to prestons and only got a japanese one in the 350 box! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 14th, 2006, 09:09 AM	#55
Ivan Snoeckx Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belgium \| Europe Posts: 441	Hi Phil, Take a look on the US site of Sony Professional. Here is the link. Sony Pro US Look under "Tech Info", their you will find all XDCAM and XDCAM HD operation manuals. Hope this helps!

January 18th, 2007, 08:03 AM	#57
Peter Newsom Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 182	Hi Phil, I have been going through similar considerations. I'd love to get the XDcam, but my client doesn't need it yet. The DSR450 is certainly priced well, at 13K in Canada, though it is missing a few features. If it had firewire in and out, like the Panasonics it would be perfect for the sports news work that I do. Used 500's and 570's seem to be going for about $7K around here, and they are scarce. It makes a new 450 for 13K a good deal. I have also been considering a new head for my old BVV5 back, but that will cost just about the same as the 450. However, Beta SP is still the most common format for broadcasters in Canada. Looks like SD is going to be around for sometime yet.

January 18th, 2007, 01:28 PM	#58
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	yeah I agree Peter. I would love to just use my xdcam hd but nobody can take the discs let alone the HD! I bought a new DSR 450. It is very nice. So similar to look at and use as the XDCAM f350. Looks like the same body...almost! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

January 18th, 2007, 01:53 PM	#59
Peter Newsom Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 182	Congratulations on the camera Phil! I have yet to get my hands on one, but it should be soon. What glass are you running on it? From the pictures I've seen it indeed looks very similar to the F330/350. I would be very interested to read about your thoughts on the camera, if you have the time. Good luck! Peter

January 18th, 2007, 02:01 PM	#60
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	i have the canon 20 x 8.4 with 2x extender. Pretty standard for this camera. it's very nice actually. I am impressed with it. It has amazingly detailed paint tools and shoots progressive. Love the daylight white balance button and the clear nd. Just like the f350 __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net