PDW-F330 vs. JVC HD100

Guy Barwood · July 23rd, 2006, 07:44 PM

As far as I understand there is no difference between DV and DVCAM except for the tape transport mechanics. So recording DVCAM to disk is no difrferent to recording DV to disk.

The only exception might be locked audio. Not sure if that still relates to the media or codec though, and my JVC DV500 records DV with locked audio as well so it is certainly something you can do with 'DV'.

Greg Boston · July 23rd, 2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Barwood

As far as I understand there is no difference between DV and DVCAM except for the tape transport mechanics. So recording DVCAM to disk is no difrferent to recording DV to disk.

The only exception might be locked audio. Not sure if that still relates to the media or codec though, and my JVC DV500 records DV with locked audio as well so it is certainly something you can do with 'DV'.

Both NTSC DV and DVCAM use 4:1:1 compression and the same bit rate of 25mbs. DVCAM is locked audio and on tape transport, it records a wider track pitch to guard against dropout so your 60 minutes is reduced to 40. It also uses locked audio.

You can record DVCAM to disk which gives you 85-90 minutes. But these cameras don't record DV to disk so it's a non-issue.

-gb-

Max Kaiser · July 23rd, 2006, 09:15 PM

For us, the amount of time saved in logging alone makes this camera's price easily worth it. Yes, it looks really great (and I mean really great with the Fujinon bottom HD lens), but you've got to check out the xdcam file transport features to get the whole pictures. It's just a whole different (better) way of working from a tape based, linear situation. Essentially, it's the last piece of the non-linear puzzle. There's a reason Apple is pushing this so hard all of the sudden - a reason Comcast and CBS just moved all of their hd production to this camera - the workflow is awesome.

Max

Jonathan Nelson · July 23rd, 2006, 09:29 PM

I dont know why but for what the xdcam does it almost seems like a bargain. 20k and you get one screaming hd camcorder using 1/2 inch sensors and writes to blu ray disks. I have heard nothing but good things about them too.

Almost makes me wish I would not have bought the hd100s. I needed them though and there is no way I could pump out 40k for two of these.

Oh well, and by the time I have the money for one of these, red will be available.

Josh Dahlberg · July 23rd, 2006, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

Both NTSC DV and DVCAM use 4:1:1 compression and the same bit rate of 25mbs. DVCAM is locked audio and on tape transport, it records a wider track pitch to guard against dropout so your 60 minutes is reduced to 40. It also uses locked audio.

You can record DVCAM to disk which gives you 85-90 minutes. But these cameras don't record DV to disk so it's a non-issue.

-gb-

Do you know if DV footage and DVcam footage can be edited in FCP hassle free in the same timeline, or does one or other have to be converted?

Thanks

Guy Barwood · July 23rd, 2006, 09:49 PM

"and there is no way I could pump out 40k for two of these. "
And this is the most important thing for you then. Like me, a camera is only good to me if I can afford it, otherwise it is next to useless no matter what its features.

"Do you know if DV footage and DVcam footage can be edited in FCP hassle free in the same timeline, or does one or other have to be converted?"
Once on disk as a file there is no difference between DV and DVCAM, the codecs themselves are the same.

July 23rd, 2006, 09:15 PM	#18
Max Kaiser Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 66	no question on 330 For us, the amount of time saved in logging alone makes this camera's price easily worth it. Yes, it looks really great (and I mean really great with the Fujinon bottom HD lens), but you've got to check out the xdcam file transport features to get the whole pictures. It's just a whole different (better) way of working from a tape based, linear situation. Essentially, it's the last piece of the non-linear puzzle. There's a reason Apple is pushing this so hard all of the sudden - a reason Comcast and CBS just moved all of their hd production to this camera - the workflow is awesome. Max __________________ ---------------- Max Kaiser Director, Hand Crank Films http://www.handcrankfilms.com

July 23rd, 2006, 07:44 PM	#16
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	As far as I understand there is no difference between DV and DVCAM except for the tape transport mechanics. So recording DVCAM to disk is no difrferent to recording DV to disk. The only exception might be locked audio. Not sure if that still relates to the media or codec though, and my JVC DV500 records DV with locked audio as well so it is certainly something you can do with 'DV'.

July 23rd, 2006, 09:29 PM	#19
Jonathan Nelson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kingman Arizona Posts: 298	I dont know why but for what the xdcam does it almost seems like a bargain. 20k and you get one screaming hd camcorder using 1/2 inch sensors and writes to blu ray disks. I have heard nothing but good things about them too. Almost makes me wish I would not have bought the hd100s. I needed them though and there is no way I could pump out 40k for two of these. Oh well, and by the time I have the money for one of these, red will be available.

July 23rd, 2006, 09:49 PM	#21
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	"and there is no way I could pump out 40k for two of these. " And this is the most important thing for you then. Like me, a camera is only good to me if I can afford it, otherwise it is next to useless no matter what its features. "Do you know if DV footage and DVcam footage can be edited in FCP hassle free in the same timeline, or does one or other have to be converted?" Once on disk as a file there is no difference between DV and DVCAM, the codecs themselves are the same.