Sony XDCAM HD -- various topics

Nate Weaver · January 22nd, 2007, 04:00 PM

There's two SD formats in XDCAM, DVCAM and IMX.

If the disc is SD DVCAM, then the 350/330 will play it. If it's IMX, it will not.

The PDW-V1 disc reader will read both formats (but not XDCAM HD!).

Rob Stiff · January 22nd, 2007, 11:03 PM

If both the 330 & 350 have the same exact lens and are side by side
aimed at the same thing, and are both completely reset, they DO NOT
MATCH; colors, blacks etc are a little different.

With both models updated with the most recent firmware,
the menus and default setting are a little different making things
a bit difficult to match up. Anyone else having this issue?

Uli Mors · January 23rd, 2007, 11:56 PM

Hi,

I know that with some lenses you have a readout in the display for zoom / focus.
I think this is extremely helpful - I do some wedding filming as well and I often have to pan back to bride/groom (fast!). Using the readout is easier than focussing by eye again.

At the moment I am thinking to purchase a "budget" Wide Angle SD Lens , so I ask myself generally how I can see with all the fujinon and canon products if they transfer the zoom/focus data?

Any comments on that?

thanks

ULI

Uli Mors · January 24th, 2007, 07:56 AM

In the link section I found a sony page with

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...tingTips.shtml

Reading some of these pdfs gives the impression that menus of XDCAM SD cams (530 etc.) go much further into detail than pdw-f330 / 350 can.

(example: "crispening" function and others)

I am wondering why they did not implent this into xdcam hd.

Any suggestions?

ULI

Ivan Snoeckx · January 24th, 2007, 03:32 PM

Yep! We already have those on the XDCAM forum.

Max Kaiser · January 26th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Hi there,
One of my clients wants to try and edit my xdcam hd files via Final Cut Express. He has v3.5. Any idea if it has the necessary codecs?

Also, if they do not, any idea what is the best codec to convert it to?

Thanks!
Max

Vincent Rozenberg · January 27th, 2007, 03:27 PM

From what I know FCE can only edit DV or HDV files. So you might want to capture via a XDCAM HD deck directly to HDV, for the best resolution/quality. If you capturing via the Firewire connection on cam, then DV is the only option.

Paulo Teixeira · February 1st, 2007, 02:00 PM

http://www.4rfv.co.uk/industrynews.asp?id=58942

Tim Allison · February 8th, 2007, 09:17 AM

I've been looking around for about half an hour, and haven't found what I'm looking for.

Can anyone point me to a description of the FCP work flow with XDCAM HD? I realize I can ingest through the HD-SDI connections and change codecs, but I'm looking for a description of using Sony transfer software, and editing native mpeg hd.

Andy Mees · February 8th, 2007, 09:28 AM

This is what you're looking for: http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...whitepaper.pdf

probably same file on Apple's FCP site here: http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/...whitepaper.pdf

Emanuel Altenburger · February 10th, 2007, 07:52 AM

Hello,

I have a (quite silly) question concerning mastering back onto xdcam.
I have got Avid Xpress Pro and Sony Vegas but on the first sight I am not that happy with the Vegas system. The thing however is, that Avid doesn´t support mastering back onto XDCAM at this stage.

So what I wanted to ask is whether there could be a way of importing XDCAM HD media into Avid, edit the thing on the AVID and then export as an MXF file, import MXF on Vegas again and then master back onto XDCAM. This may sound absolutely ridiculous in terms of "good workflow", I know but it was just a thought of a possible workaround. Hopefully Avid will support XDCAM HD mastering soon anyway and I will however things go have to upgrade to Media Composer or completely switch to FCP. But for the moment I´m looking for a complicated way to make a useable master copy. I´m also thinking of buying a blu-ray burner and export the thing on a blu-ray disk.

What do you think?

Thanks a lot for your thoughts,
Emanuel

Bob Willis · February 12th, 2007, 11:33 AM

There have been discussions on the Avid forums that the new version of Avid Xpress Pro and Media Composer will both support mastering back to disk. The demo version is out among those who are testing the software. I don't know what the final release will bring, but I would hold on for a while and you may be pleasantly surprised.

Rob Stiff · February 16th, 2007, 08:52 AM

Will older XDCAM DISCS work in the 330 & 350 cameras?

Vincent Rozenberg · February 16th, 2007, 09:40 AM

Simple answer: Yes.

Alain Gerente · February 20th, 2007, 07:10 AM

I am new in this forum so I am grateful to be welcomed here.
I come from DVC Pro and Avid world, but I intend to move to XDCAM HD ( F 350 ) and also FCP, but I am unfamiliar with it.
I have 2 questions concerning FCP :
- Could you store a stereo or 5-1 clip edited with FCP on a XDCAM HD disc ?
- if your goal is to produce Blue ray and SD DVDs from a clip mixing DVC PRO and XDCAM HD shots, is it possible with FCP ( no problem with Media composer ) ?
Thanks for your help.

January 22nd, 2007, 04:00 PM	#31
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	There's two SD formats in XDCAM, DVCAM and IMX. If the disc is SD DVCAM, then the 350/330 will play it. If it's IMX, it will not. The PDW-V1 disc reader will read both formats (but not XDCAM HD!). __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

January 22nd, 2007, 11:03 PM	#32
Rob Stiff Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 173	Working With Both 330s & 350s If both the 330 & 350 have the same exact lens and are side by side aimed at the same thing, and are both completely reset, they DO NOT MATCH; colors, blacks etc are a little different. With both models updated with the most recent firmware, the menus and default setting are a little different making things a bit difficult to match up. Anyone else having this issue?

January 23rd, 2007, 11:56 PM	#33
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	Lenses with Zoom / Focus Display Hi, I know that with some lenses you have a readout in the display for zoom / focus. I think this is extremely helpful - I do some wedding filming as well and I often have to pan back to bride/groom (fast!). Using the readout is easier than focussing by eye again. At the moment I am thinking to purchase a "budget" Wide Angle SD Lens , so I ask myself generally how I can see with all the fujinon and canon products if they transfer the zoom/focus data? Any comments on that? thanks ULI

January 24th, 2007, 07:56 AM	#34
Uli Mors Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 565	SONY tips for better shooting In the link section I found a sony page with http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...tingTips.shtml Reading some of these pdfs gives the impression that menus of XDCAM SD cams (530 etc.) go much further into detail than pdw-f330 / 350 can. (example: "crispening" function and others) I am wondering why they did not implent this into xdcam hd. Any suggestions? ULI

January 26th, 2007, 04:13 PM	#36
Max Kaiser Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 66	XDCAM and Final Cut Express Hi there, One of my clients wants to try and edit my xdcam hd files via Final Cut Express. He has v3.5. Any idea if it has the necessary codecs? Also, if they do not, any idea what is the best codec to convert it to? Thanks! Max __________________ ---------------- Max Kaiser Director, Hand Crank Films http://www.handcrankfilms.com

January 24th, 2007, 03:32 PM	#35
Ivan Snoeckx Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belgium \| Europe Posts: 441	Yep! We already have those on the XDCAM forum.

January 27th, 2007, 03:27 PM	#37
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	From what I know FCE can only edit DV or HDV files. So you might want to capture via a XDCAM HD deck directly to HDV, for the best resolution/quality. If you capturing via the Firewire connection on cam, then DV is the only option.

February 1st, 2007, 02:00 PM	#38
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	FujiFilm now makes XDCAM discs. http://www.4rfv.co.uk/industrynews.asp?id=58942 __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

February 8th, 2007, 09:17 AM	#39
Tim Allison Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Starkville, MS Posts: 96	Fianl Cut Pro work flow with XDCAM HD I've been looking around for about half an hour, and haven't found what I'm looking for. Can anyone point me to a description of the FCP work flow with XDCAM HD? I realize I can ingest through the HD-SDI connections and change codecs, but I'm looking for a description of using Sony transfer software, and editing native mpeg hd.

February 8th, 2007, 09:28 AM	#40
Andy Mees Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 645	This is what you're looking for: http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...whitepaper.pdf probably same file on Apple's FCP site here: http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/...whitepaper.pdf

February 10th, 2007, 07:52 AM	#41
Emanuel Altenburger Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Innsbruck, Austria Posts: 134	Master Back Onto Xdcam - Avid Xpress Pro/vegas Hello, I have a (quite silly) question concerning mastering back onto xdcam. I have got Avid Xpress Pro and Sony Vegas but on the first sight I am not that happy with the Vegas system. The thing however is, that Avid doesn´t support mastering back onto XDCAM at this stage. So what I wanted to ask is whether there could be a way of importing XDCAM HD media into Avid, edit the thing on the AVID and then export as an MXF file, import MXF on Vegas again and then master back onto XDCAM. This may sound absolutely ridiculous in terms of "good workflow", I know but it was just a thought of a possible workaround. Hopefully Avid will support XDCAM HD mastering soon anyway and I will however things go have to upgrade to Media Composer or completely switch to FCP. But for the moment I´m looking for a complicated way to make a useable master copy. I´m also thinking of buying a blu-ray burner and export the thing on a blu-ray disk. What do you think? Thanks a lot for your thoughts, Emanuel

February 12th, 2007, 11:33 AM	#42
Bob Willis Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 292	There have been discussions on the Avid forums that the new version of Avid Xpress Pro and Media Composer will both support mastering back to disk. The demo version is out among those who are testing the software. I don't know what the final release will bring, but I would hold on for a while and you may be pleasantly surprised.

February 16th, 2007, 08:52 AM	#43
Rob Stiff Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 173	Xdcam Discs Will older XDCAM DISCS work in the 330 & 350 cameras?

February 16th, 2007, 09:40 AM	#44
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	Simple answer: Yes.

February 20th, 2007, 07:10 AM	#45
Alain Gerente Tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Saint Gilles Les Bains, Reunion Island Posts: 1	Storage XDCAM HD clip I am new in this forum so I am grateful to be welcomed here. I come from DVC Pro and Avid world, but I intend to move to XDCAM HD ( F 350 ) and also FCP, but I am unfamiliar with it. I have 2 questions concerning FCP : - Could you store a stereo or 5-1 clip edited with FCP on a XDCAM HD disc ? - if your goal is to produce Blue ray and SD DVDs from a clip mixing DVC PRO and XDCAM HD shots, is it possible with FCP ( no problem with Media composer ) ? Thanks for your help.