XDCAM HD Footage at DVinfo.net

Hse Kha · January 20th, 2006, 03:29 AM

Anyone know if any sample clips are available on the internet yet???

Since they are MPEG-2 I guess they will be easy to view on a PC like HDV clips. Or not? I read that they don't use a transport stream (m2t) but "elementary streams" - is that MPEG-2 (mpg) files?

I'd love to see how these 1/2 inch chip CCDs compare to the 1/3 inch ones.

Chris Hurd · January 20th, 2006, 09:03 AM

Please read the press release... there's a copy of it here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58618

This camera isn't even shipping until March, so the answer is no, there isn't any downloadable video yet.

Ronan Fournier · January 20th, 2006, 09:59 AM

Hello,
As I said in another post, I went to the Sony Roadshow, two days ago, in order to see the XDCAM HD on a wild screen (Ruby videoprojector).
Pictures were maybe a bit better than HDV but far away from the awesome HDCam footage we saw just after that... The Canon zoom lense were not good at all (a lot of chromatic aberations). It was desapointing for me.
So for the moment, PDW 350 is like a Canon XL H1 which records on a Bluray disc...

Hse Kha · January 20th, 2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

This camera isn't even shipping until March, so the answer is no, there isn't any downloadable video yet.

Kaku had the Canon XL-H1 footage a month or two before it started to ship and there is also now footage of the cheap Sanyo HD Camera which won't ship until March either, hence my question...

Chris Hurd · January 20th, 2006, 06:53 PM

Oh, you mean Kaku, as in Kaku Ito, the guy who is always the first to get the gear and who always posts the first video clips to DV Info Net? Well, that's different! Kaku could probably manage this, but I doubt if anybody else can. That's why I answered the way I did above.

Scot Olson · January 21st, 2006, 12:45 AM

On the Sony HDCAM HD Site near the bottom left is a link to movie titled Overview Video Hi-Res.

It is a very compressed file but contains a fair amount of footage shot with the F330.

My Sony rep is scheduled to demo one of the new XDCAM HD cameras for us on February 9th. With any luck I might have a few clips straight from the camera following the demo.

Chris Hurd · January 21st, 2006, 01:04 AM

Scot, if you can do that then you'll be our new hero. Welcome to DV Info Net,

Hse Kha · March 1st, 2006, 05:28 PM

Any update? Would love to see actual footage from this format..

Jerry Matese · March 4th, 2006, 12:22 PM

Does anyone have the details on this new flavor of 35 mbs MPEG. Is it a shorter GOP than standard HDV. Also is the HD-SDI output uncompressed HD 1080 4:2:2? Does the variable compression actualy compress 720p less vs 1080i and take advantage of the full 35 mbs?

Michael Devlin · March 6th, 2006, 10:51 AM

The SDI output conforms to SMPTE 292M, of course. However Sony has told me that the CCD/DSP image is only capturing 4:2:0. The 4:2:0 signal is then interpolated to 4:2:2 to produce the SDI output.

Since we have an HDC-X300 (which has the same 1/2" CCD and image processing) Sony suggested we test the SDI output using the X300. We ran a number of tests including some green screen shots. The X300 SDI output definetely acts like you are effectively getting 4:2:0. Pulling a clean matte is difficult and it is virtually impossible to eliminate edge crawl on green screen shots. Certainly our Canon XL H1 performs better for any kind of post processing (chroma keying, wire removal, etc.).

I have still ordered the PDW-F350, and I am looking forward to its arrival at the end of the month. Like all cameras it has strenghts and weaknesses.

Simon Wyndham · March 6th, 2006, 06:19 PM

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However Sony has told me that the CCD/DSP image is only capturing 4:2:0. The 4:2:0 signal is then interpolated to 4:2:2 to produce the SDI output.

That would tally with my experience of SDI from one of my colleagues PDW-510P. There was an improvement in picture quality because of far less compression. But there wasn't enough difference to pursuade me to get the SDI card for my camera.

March 7th, 2006, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Scot, if you can do that then you'll be our new hero. Welcome to DV Info Net

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scot Olson

My Sony rep is scheduled to demo one of the new XDCAM HD cameras for us on February 9th. With any luck I might have a few clips straight from the camera following the demo.

Any update?

Scott Webster · March 7th, 2006, 02:10 PM

Sony NZ and Panavision NZ did a combined roadshow recently with projected Z1, 350 and HDW-750 material.

All material was dubbed to HDCAM SR and played out through a SRW1 into a Sony VPLVW100 projector.

IMHO there was not a dramatic leap from the Z1 footage shown and the 350.
Certainly not the leap that was immediately apparent when the HDW-750 material was shown. Maybe a specific HD 1/2" lens would lift the performance.

Obviously viewing conditions were not ideal and it was a montage cut for the roadshow. Variable frame rate footage looked good.

March 8th, 2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Webster

IMHO there was not a dramatic leap from the Z1 footage shown and the 350.
Certainly not the leap that was immediately apparent when the HDW-750 material was shown. Maybe a specific HD 1/2" lens would lift the performance.

Sorry my non-native english.. Did you say «lift down» comparing with the HDW-750?

Or «lift up», that is, it was presenting with a 2/3" lens maybe SD? (because there isn't 1/3" to that) and with a specific HD 1/2" lens (according its CCD) would it perform better? Is it that?

Scott Webster · March 9th, 2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Leuname Ereh

Sorry my non-native english.. Did you say «lift down» comparing with the HDW-750?

Or «lift up», that is, it was presenting with a 2/3" lens maybe SD? (because there isn't 1/3" to that) and with a specific HD 1/2" lens (according its CCD) would it perform better? Is it that?

In the footage that shown there was not a large shift in pq between the Z1 and 350 camera. Certainly not the difference between the HDW-750 and the other 2 cameras.

But...this was projected footage off what is basically a high end home theatre projector.

The XDHD 350 shot with a SD Canon 1/2" lens. The Z1 is 1/3" fixed and the HDW750 a 2/3" Fujinon HD 22x.

AFAIK there has been no info released on a 1/2" HD lens line up for the XDHD Cams(?)

January 20th, 2006, 03:29 AM	#1
Hse Kha Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 195	XDCAM HD Footage Anyone know if any sample clips are available on the internet yet??? Since they are MPEG-2 I guess they will be easy to view on a PC like HDV clips. Or not? I read that they don't use a transport stream (m2t) but "elementary streams" - is that MPEG-2 (mpg) files? I'd love to see how these 1/2 inch chip CCDs compare to the 1/3 inch ones.

January 20th, 2006, 09:03 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Please read the press release... there's a copy of it here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58618 This camera isn't even shipping until March, so the answer is no, there isn't any downloadable video yet. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 20th, 2006, 09:59 AM	#3
Ronan Fournier Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris, France Posts: 201	I saw some PDW 350 footage Hello, As I said in another post, I went to the Sony Roadshow, two days ago, in order to see the XDCAM HD on a wild screen (Ruby videoprojector). Pictures were maybe a bit better than HDV but far away from the awesome HDCam footage we saw just after that... The Canon zoom lense were not good at all (a lot of chromatic aberations). It was desapointing for me. So for the moment, PDW 350 is like a Canon XL H1 which records on a Bluray disc... __________________ http://www.songesdemoai.com/

January 20th, 2006, 06:53 PM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Oh, you mean Kaku, as in Kaku Ito, the guy who is always the first to get the gear and who always posts the first video clips to DV Info Net? Well, that's different! Kaku could probably manage this, but I doubt if anybody else can. That's why I answered the way I did above. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 21st, 2006, 12:45 AM	#6
Scot Olson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 25	XDCAM HD Clip On the Sony HDCAM HD Site near the bottom left is a link to movie titled Overview Video Hi-Res. It is a very compressed file but contains a fair amount of footage shot with the F330. My Sony rep is scheduled to demo one of the new XDCAM HD cameras for us on February 9th. With any luck I might have a few clips straight from the camera following the demo.

January 21st, 2006, 01:04 AM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Scot, if you can do that then you'll be our new hero. Welcome to DV Info Net, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 1st, 2006, 05:28 PM	#8
Hse Kha Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 195	Any update? Would love to see actual footage from this format..

March 4th, 2006, 12:22 PM	#9
Jerry Matese Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Stroudsburg, PA Posts: 72	35 Mbs MPEG Does anyone have the details on this new flavor of 35 mbs MPEG. Is it a shorter GOP than standard HDV. Also is the HD-SDI output uncompressed HD 1080 4:2:2? Does the variable compression actualy compress 720p less vs 1080i and take advantage of the full 35 mbs? __________________ JMM www.jenacommunications.com Last edited by Jerry Matese; March 4th, 2006 at 02:22 PM.

March 6th, 2006, 10:51 AM	#10
Michael Devlin Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Zephyr Cove, NV & Anchorage, AK Posts: 82	PDW-F350 HD-SDI output is not really 4:2:2 The SDI output conforms to SMPTE 292M, of course. However Sony has told me that the CCD/DSP image is only capturing 4:2:0. The 4:2:0 signal is then interpolated to 4:2:2 to produce the SDI output. Since we have an HDC-X300 (which has the same 1/2" CCD and image processing) Sony suggested we test the SDI output using the X300. We ran a number of tests including some green screen shots. The X300 SDI output definetely acts like you are effectively getting 4:2:0. Pulling a clean matte is difficult and it is virtually impossible to eliminate edge crawl on green screen shots. Certainly our Canon XL H1 performs better for any kind of post processing (chroma keying, wire removal, etc.). I have still ordered the PDW-F350, and I am looking forward to its arrival at the end of the month. Like all cameras it has strenghts and weaknesses.

March 7th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#13
Scott Webster Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 136	Sony NZ and Panavision NZ did a combined roadshow recently with projected Z1, 350 and HDW-750 material. All material was dubbed to HDCAM SR and played out through a SRW1 into a Sony VPLVW100 projector. IMHO there was not a dramatic leap from the Z1 footage shown and the 350. Certainly not the leap that was immediately apparent when the HDW-750 material was shown. Maybe a specific HD 1/2" lens would lift the performance. Obviously viewing conditions were not ideal and it was a montage cut for the roadshow. Variable frame rate footage looked good.